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for professionals been applying this has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the on a name change the game game

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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is Monday April 1st 2019 91 days into

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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and tither to and fro back and forth up

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network and K GRA the

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I am your host Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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what a week we have got coming up on

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that's right tonight

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very special guests and our good friend

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Alex Mastretta Alex Mastretta is here

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man oh and he's here to give us his

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report card that's right

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I'm paranormal research we're gonna go

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through everything tonight UFOs Bigfoot

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paranormal cryptozoology and everything

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else that falls underneath that and if

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you follow Alex well everybody knows

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what a great friend he is here of the

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show he's been with us since the very

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beginning and so we have that part we've

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had many many late nights with Alex over

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the years over at the house and every

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time that we've had a dinner party and

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our little paranormal gatherings and

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stuff he's always been the last person

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to leave which means we just we just

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absolute best out there so tonight when

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card to get signed by the parents it's a

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freaked me out you know it is a tweet

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everybody go and yeah I had no way Alex

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go and follow Alex Mastretta it's alex

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one where it's got his picture okay Alex

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underscore Mastretta I put it up there

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and Twitter earlier so you guys can go

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he's just rockin it okay go follow Alex

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tonight and get ready it's going to be a

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great show and then tomorrow night we

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had to move things around Billy Carson

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for part two of his four part series he

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no biggie because Billy Carson is going

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to be here tomorrow for week two and

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tomorrow night we will be covering the

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halls of Amenti and this is week two of

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his emerald tablets of toth four-part

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series that's tomorrow night Billy

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Carson Wednesday nights it is dr.

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heather Lynn and I'm gonna hold this up

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to the cameras here covering her new

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book which is called evil archaeology

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and there it is got the complete book

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right here it's a good read to evil

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archeology that'll be Wednesday night

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demons possessions and sinister relics

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yeah that is Wednesday night Heather

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Lynn's back with us Thursday night of

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course is Fator night open lines all

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night long you can follow me on twitter

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simple @j church radio okay

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@j church radio now I just got Alex up

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there and Twitter I just redid it again

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and there it is tonight Alex Mastretta

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and there's his Twitter link everybody

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go and follow Alex okay go and follow

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there is no truer fader not then alex

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Mistretta he is he was like the firt

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easy he you know what I don't know if

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it's him they kind of travel in pairs

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him and Steve Murillo right and and of

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typically cited together and for a lot

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of different reasons but it all starts

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with MUFON la2 as well going back oh man

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okay so that ended five six years ago

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MUFON Los Angeles all the way now

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through you pars to today so I'm not so

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sure who the original fate or not is I

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would probably because I've known wolf

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for thirty years man a kind of default

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it goes to wolf Picard but is it is you

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know who's the og who is the og fate or

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first was the first guest on the show I

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don't know Wow Wow okay well anyway Alex

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excited about that and again follow me

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on Twitter at JDI what you want to do if

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you want to join in on the conversation

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tonight check out what everybody's doing

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especially today it is April 1st is at

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teachers radio and then hashtag f2b

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not only the sandbox which is hashtag F

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to B but we have Spreaker we have that

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chat room we have kgr a chat room and we

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have the sandbox so you can also email

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me Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com

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aviation American Jin I used to be a gin

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drinker when I I mean when I was a kid

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lime and that's a good drink

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rattle no I ever fell out of that I used

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friend's dad who drank it and we were

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always gin as always but and then of

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course kiss right cold gin time again

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and it was yeah you know it was like

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Paul Stanley I think was Paul Stanley

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saying that was a paul was a paul or was

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that gene who sang cold gin

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let me see who's gonna pop up first on

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twitter the person that tells me who

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sang cold gin without googling it

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without googling it I'll send you a fade

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to black coffee mug and then you could

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drink your gin out of that all right

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let's see who pops up first gene John

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okay John Ledford came in first I it was

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Jean it's gold yet you guys you guys

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alcoholics every single one of you

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okay everybody says Jean yeah yeah I

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thought about that as it as I started to

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come out and I was like I mean I had to

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have been Jean right nope it's not Jean

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then who was it who wasn't Peter Chris I

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could tell you that I wasn't ace frehley

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written by ace okay keep it going

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written by ace poor ace man I feel so

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bad for that guy come on keep it coming

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keep it coming I need to know you guys

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got to be faster to see now when it's

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delayed like this everybody's searching

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right right now now now it's changed to

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Paul Stanley because Kevin looked it up

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man you guys freely wrote the song okay

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all right okay I realized that all of

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you guys are googling now I needed a

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kiss fan freely wrote the song okay I

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get it I get it they both did Paul and

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gene oh they both sang it okay all right

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where am I at see how see it's it's UFOs

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and guitars here on fade to black

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okay email throughout the show Jimmy at

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Jupiter it's ready to rock out let's get

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to all of the breaking news today Rex it

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remains deadlocked

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that's right UK Parliament rejects all

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of the alternative plans today

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I think they voted four times UK law

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makers yet again failed to agree on an

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alternative to Prime Minister Teresa

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Mays brexit plan prolonging the

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political deadlock I was watching the

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debate live so great there is no better

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reality TV than UK Parliament the UK

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Parliament cam oh man that was funny

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stuff man I was cracking Mia and

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was gonna get around to it you know

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let's just let's just bail without a

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plan let's just exit

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let's just stay you know it's crazy

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sad news yesterday rapper Nipsey Hussle

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was shot and killed after exiting

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apparently his store that he has in Los

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Angeles and it's a clothing store two

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other people were injured in the

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shooting and happened in the afternoon

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yesterday at about 3:20 p.m. and that

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was all according to the police

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department the shooting occurred in the

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area of Slauson Avenue and Crenshaw

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cool guy

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neighborhood cared about los angeles

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cared about the kids cared about the

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community and changing things and was a

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driving force and all of that it just

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doesn't make any sense and he was

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immensely talented just absolutely crazy

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Nipsey Hussle shot and killed yesterday

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in Los Angeles Discovery Channel has

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announced plans to open an Egyptian

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sarcophagus for the first time live on

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television that's right visions of

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Geraldo right just play out right we're

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gonna do it and it's an upcoming special

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titled the expedition unknown Egypt live

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with our friend Josh gates

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the two-hour live event is set to air

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this week on Sunday April 7th are you

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gonna tune in for that that means you're

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gonna have to miss American Gods but

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then again he could tape it you would

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have to miss what else were we watching

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Rita o billions

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oh man billions American Gods are the

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two great shows Barry also kicked up its

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new season and I watched episode 1 less

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I'm pretty good pretty good and with

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Bill Hader and then veep but I haven't

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seen it and then veep apparently they

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aired they you know did the premiere and

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then they announced the show's being

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canceled but I guess they're gonna play

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out this season

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all right also to earlier today the

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White House declares that the mysterious

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1908 Tunguska explosion has been solved

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that's right and this is a quote from

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the White House saying that the culprit

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was very very big wind big winds that no

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longer exist end quote so I guess we can

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close the book on that and also there

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was major success today for the Flat

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Earth expedition that was announced last

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month as they finally reached Antarctica

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after taking off from Austria and headed

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straight north to prove that the earth

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was flat major major success today and

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also earlier today CNN uncovered what

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was redacted out of the Mueller report

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this is big news and one of the redacted

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items was that the logo for the space

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force is going to be a blue Avion that's

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right as adjusted by Russia's Vladimir

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Putin because in Russia blue birds

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represent hope and finally blue Eagle

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eggs hatched today on the live eagle cam

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in Boulder Colorado and people

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celebrated all across the nation while

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watching the little blue hatchlings

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break out of their shells live on the

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interweb and that's it that's all of the

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breaking news I have today we have Alex

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Mastretta here and we'll be discussing

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all of those breaking news and much more

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and get this on your phones okay it is

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free to download nothing to do no giving

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up your information or an email nothing

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like that all you got to do is go to the

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banners at Jimi Church radio.com or go

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to su RF r surfer dot FM I keep saying

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it's super easy it's super fun and all

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you have to do is download it and get it

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on your phone I'm gonna show you right

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here

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I have the surfers streaming app right

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there boom on my phone that's what I use

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Friday night fade to black live in front

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of a studio audience

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Saturday night I'll be hosting the

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awards dinner and you need tickets for

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that that's Saturday night I want all

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that's really close to getting sold out

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so go and get your tickets for that and

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then Sunday night of course I always

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host the Sunday night panel closing

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ceremonies and there you go so we got

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three nights at fade to black and we'll

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see all of you there and then coming up

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ok happy birthday to today

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Mackenzie David is 31 and I know what

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you're thinking I know what you're

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thinking you're thinking who is

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Mackenzie David as I raised my chair

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Mackenzie David is the hacker computer

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genius in the TV show halt and catch

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fire

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she's amazing 31 years old from Canada

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and she's great in that show that show

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Oh

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I've watched every episode every season

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an amazing amazing show and if you ever

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wondered about the history of computers

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you know they break it down they changed

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the names and they do all of that but

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it's really the the story of the

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internet and computers and the

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technology it's really a cool TV series

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halt and catch fire happy birthday to

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best known for singing in the rain but

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she also married II died later that

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afternoon unbelievable story

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happy birthday Debbie Reynolds on this

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day in history 1970 President Richard

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Nixon signed legislation to officially

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banned cigarette ads on television and

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radio and I can't believe I'm old enough

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to remember those and I still do there's

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just a few of those cigarette

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commercials that stick and and and

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hearing them on the radio and it's

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pretty funny that it went on all the way

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up to 1970 pretty trippy and I am

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starting to feel old when I can tell

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that story fader fact okay I want you to

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listen to me Jupiter does not orbit the

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Sun it does not now I know what you're

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thinking wait a minute Jimmy Jupiter

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orbits the Sun it doesn't no it does not

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now I know you need an explanation and

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I'm

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give that to you right now but Jupiter

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does not orbit the Sun it is so huge

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that the center of gravity of its orbit

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is not actually at the center of the Sun

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like it is for Earth or Venus or mercury

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right or Mars no Jupiter doesn't orbit

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the center of the Sun Jupiter and the

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Sun orbit around the same point in space

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that's right you didn't know that did

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you

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has its own orbit the Sun is at the

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center of our universe doing this and

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where it is orbiting is where Jupiter

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orbits Jupiter does not orbit the Sun we

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do now is that the trickiest I've done a

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lot of fader facts I've done a lot that

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one is trippy and that one you can take

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to the back and that one you can whip

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out at a party the watercooler at work

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Jupiter does not orbit the Sun and so

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now this is the thing they'll talk about

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joob Jupiter's orbit that it takes

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twelve years to go around the Sun but

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they don't point out that it's not

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orbiting the Sun ain't that a trip yeah

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another fate of fact Jupiter is flat I

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know I thought about that too I'll do

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that one next week but yeah ain't that a

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trip that's a trip okay all right this

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is what I want to do later on tonight

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and and I might do this sporadically

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throughout the show I may take some

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phone calls with Alex Mastretta but I

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want you to tell me tonight when you

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call in which one of my news stories was

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real in the breaking news which ones

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were fake and

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if you got a really good breaking news

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story today that you need to announce on

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this April 1st and test me right I'll

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open up the phone lines okay so don't

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get excited

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I'll announce when we do that and I'm

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certainly gonna open up the phone lines

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at at the end of the show okay and we'll

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do that we'll have a free-for-all but

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it's it's April Fool's Day and there

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were some good

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April Fool's oh I didn't get to the main

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one i spaced right by it

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today the was at the r83 what's it

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called the RS is that the Rs 85 yeah

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okay so today there's his breaking news

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story on hush kit and also on defense PK

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that the Rs 85 Mach 6 Aurora spy plane

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was real and it flew from - from 19 what

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was it 1993 - 2018 I think it was and

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that it went Mach 6 and they lay out the

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whole thing this press release and it

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replaced the sr-71 and it was Rs $85 as

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I believe the project Dulles was an

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extensional project Aurora the 1980s

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military program well-written article

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right and I went through and I read then

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I was like really is April 1st and that

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one I didn't fall for a John Greenwald's

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he does the same thing every year I did

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fall forward a couple of years ago and I

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remember calling him up going - what a

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patoot it's April Fool's okay alright

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but this one this one I took I took hook

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line and sinker for about I'm gonna give

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it five minutes five minutes because I

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immediately went

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as I'm starting to feel a little shaky

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about it because I was going to do it as

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a breaking news story is like the

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biggest story of last 25 years right so

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and I go to grab pictures they're

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announcing that it's going to be at

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wright-patterson Air Force Museum in

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2020 that five of them were built and I

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mean I was like wow and of course there

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was no DoD press release and I couldn't

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find it anywhere and then I just stopped

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but there you go that was a good one so

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if you got any good ones today like that

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one see nobody's gonna be able to call

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in with that one but if you got any good

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ones call in tonight and let's have some

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fun with that and we'll see maybe maybe

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some of them are real and you might get

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one past me this is fade to black our

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guest tonight is Alex Mastretta he's got

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a report card we're gonna be discussing

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everything that is going on right now in

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our paranormal community and I'll be

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right back after this short break

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this is fade to black I'm the OCME

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Church follow me on twitter @ JT radio

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email is jimmy at jimmy church radio

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calm and you can follow Alex Alex

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underscore Mastretta on Twitter he'll be

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right back after this short break stay

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your host Jimmy church tonight

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Alex Mastretta is here the og fade or

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not she's gonna give us a full rundown

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on the status of UFO paranormal Bigfoot

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and supernatural research Alex is one of

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the few full-time professional

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investigators in the field he is the

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former MUFON Los Angeles director of

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Investigations founder of phenomenon

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research co-founder of the UFO and

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Paranormal Research Society of Los

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Angeles formal member of big cats in

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Britain following his studies in

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anthropology and psychology at the

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University of Illinois in Chicago he has

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devoted his life to research in the

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paranormal UFOs hidden history hidden

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history and cryptozoology described as

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part Mulder and part Indiana Jones

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alex has also been featured on several

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television shows including the UFO FILES

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and legend hunters he's the author of

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the presents which is being updated

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right now and slated for re-release

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later in 2019 I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black

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Alex Mastretta Alex good evening man how

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are you I'm great man thank you very

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much for having me on and hello to all

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the theatre knots so Steve who is the

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original fade or not is it you I'm out

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Steve Alex is it to Steve or wolf lobby

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Steve acting with your first guest we

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have a wolf probably dates back to the

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furthest with you so I don't know it

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wasn't me though yeah so you're

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declining that okay you know it's it's

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kind of tough when I think about the The

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Fader dots this audience our friends our

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circle you know and the three of you you

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know you Steven and Wolf yeah have been

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a part of this from day one and and I've

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known you for such a long time and and

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so I you know I mean to the fader not so

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you are you are pure og you know what I

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would say walkers he's kind of likes to

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being the guy you know yeah I know I

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know I know

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you know what no matter where wolf is no

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matter what he's doing if I call him up

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I

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care what he's doing hey man you want to

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come over for dinner and drinks what

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time right I'm there yeah you know he

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does not want to miss he's got to be the

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center of it all and he's the best for

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that so Alex I want to go through we've

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got so much to discuss tonight okay

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and I want to talk about I want to get

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things started off here because we're

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gonna get very very serious and there's

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a lot of serious breaking news today and

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can I go through some of these headlines

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yes this the Tunguska Tunguska explosion

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which some think that it may have been a

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UFO might have been a nuclear explosion

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that nation from some kind of

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unidentified aircraft it might have been

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an exploding asteroid or meaty or not a

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meteorite because it didn't hit the

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earth yet but certainly a strange

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explosion that remained unexplained and

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today the White House announced that it

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was wind really really really strong

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wind

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how are you buying into this story I

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mean or is this just a smokescreen to

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throw us off oh you know a smokescreen

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isn't everything yeah I know right and

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and certainly Washington is used to

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really big wind and that was the other

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thing that kind of made sense to me in

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this story yeah I'm saying yeah I mean

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really really strongly and the second

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part that was that win doesn't doesn't

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exist today anymore what did I mean yeah

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I don't I don't understand that you know

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and I would and I would immediately went

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with climate change you know is that

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what they're trying to do here and

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they're trying to tie all of this in

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together and I just think it's some kind

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of false flag it's it's definite

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disinformation and misdirection I think

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it's kind of like a hidden

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anti climate change yeah yeah I'm

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feeling uncomfortable with that and then

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the other well we have all of these

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breaking stories today and the the Flat

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Earth okay this is what is bizarre that

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in the press release today that they

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finally reached Antarctica right by

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taking off north from Austria and and

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that's what they did and and I and for

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them to finally reach Antarctica do they

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realize that by this type of

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announcement am I reading this right

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that they actually went around the world

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and didn't know it around the globe I've

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been going around the globe a lot longer

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than that and not know it

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yeah I know right right and what does

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this say I mean is there any way because

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they go and they do this expedition they

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head straight north they finally make it

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to Antarctica by going north and they

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think that they made it to the edge of

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the world is there any way to convince a

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flat earther if this didn't do it that

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the earth is round what do we do about

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this I think there's no way you're ever

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gonna consist of either earth or of

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anything at this point I mean they're

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growing right and they they are planning

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another expedition down to Antarctica

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and they're gonna start from the south

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and go due south would that prove

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anything to them are we just gonna be up

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against the same type of press release

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it's all gonna prove everything to then

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that's I think that's the point

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it is isn't it now let's let's move on

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these two other stories and one involved

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CNN and which the Mueller report which

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was released two weeks ago on Friday

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well it finished I should say it's and

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hasn't been released but there's a bunch

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of redactions in it and one of the

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redactions is that the logo from the

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space force is going to be a blue Avion

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now and I immediately scratched my head

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and

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then it turns out that this was who

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suggested this labia

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which I'm not sure I remember which

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exact quote was Oh III think it's a

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Putin from Russia yeah that's right

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that's right because in Russian the blue

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bird means Hoch and I like the you know

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the Obama thing right and and so is this

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is this is it okay this is where I need

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to get to the bottom line of this is is

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Putin in on this does he does he know

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the significance of of what a blue aviom

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would mean for the space forest logo or

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in Russia is is that is that the bottom

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line that that that blue birds mean hope

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Putin knows everything Jimmy couldn't

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knows everything no right I know I know

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and then this other story today about

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Blue Eagle eggs that hatched

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yeah they hatched today on on the live

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eagle cam that runs in Boulder Colorado

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and you can go anybody can go and look

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at the Eagle cam in Boulder Colorado and

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go and check it out and there was a big

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story that broke about the mom Eagle and

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the dad Eagle her boyfriend and he kind

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of splits for a little bit and then this

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young stud eagle stops by and he kind of

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starts dating you know this is like you

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know and then he splits and and the old

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man comes back it was like a really

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really big story and you can watch this

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whole thing play out the eggs that are

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in the nests and stuff and you can go to

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the Eagle cam and and watch it and today

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the blue eggs hatched and people

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celebrated all across the United States

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today while watching the little blue

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hatchlings break out of their shells

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live on the interweb and that's pretty

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00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:46,700
exciting news don't you think yeah it's

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pretty cool you know I've been really

797
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:50,630
looking to it but sounds legit to me

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well see the thing is

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that combined with this other CNN

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Mueller report the blue eagles

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right now are in the news and and I

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don't think that's coincidence yeah I

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mean I was thinking about doing one more

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00:42:08,289 --> 00:42:07,069
research on it but I'm really afraid

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00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:08,299
someone's gonna give away my phone

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00:42:15,130 --> 00:42:09,619
number and my address and all that stuff

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00:42:16,329 --> 00:42:15,140
yeah yeah you know I'm always I think

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00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:16,339
all of us need to be a little paranoid

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00:42:21,549 --> 00:42:18,680
about that kind of stuff today but there

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00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:21,559
you go crazy news today on this April

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1st insane okay Alex since you're a man

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of many words and and I said earlier

813
00:42:37,779 --> 00:42:34,430
tonight every I think I'm pretty sure

814
00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:37,789
I'm confident in saying this that every

815
00:42:42,009 --> 00:42:40,700
every little party that we've had dinner

816
00:42:44,349 --> 00:42:42,019
party at the house that you were the

817
00:42:47,049 --> 00:42:44,359
last person to leave am I correct in

818
00:42:49,029 --> 00:42:47,059
saying that well I'm tiny as much as

819
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:49,039
Vitas food and your barbecues awesome

820
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:50,720
yeah right right people haven't been

821
00:42:57,700 --> 00:42:52,690
there it's like it's it's worth it yes

822
00:43:01,240 --> 00:42:57,710
and and those conversations that we have

823
00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:01,250
had over there I would say are about as

824
00:43:07,059 --> 00:43:04,700
spirited of any conversation that you

825
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:07,069
can have in the paranormal and we've

826
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:10,849
never really left a subject untouched

827
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:13,430
and I want you to say yes that's right

828
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:14,630
that's right right

829
00:43:21,279 --> 00:43:18,890
not that is 100% correct is there do you

830
00:43:24,849 --> 00:43:21,289
do you consider yourself somebody that

831
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,859
holds back no clearly not

832
00:43:29,230 --> 00:43:26,720
I mean you know obviously I'm gonna hold

833
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:29,240
back a little bit but you know when I do

834
00:43:33,069 --> 00:43:30,890
radio shows like yours tonight not to

835
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:33,079
offend anyone but generally speaking I

836
00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:34,730
speak my mind I don't like to hold back

837
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:37,430
I think this uh this field deserves

838
00:43:45,849 --> 00:43:41,450
complete honesty how long have you been

839
00:43:48,269 --> 00:43:45,859
researching in the paranormal well I did

840
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:48,279
my first investigation I was age 12

841
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:52,430
tells you I did and now see okay I

842
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:53,839
didn't know about this what did you

843
00:43:58,749 --> 00:43:55,849
research at the age of 12 what happened

844
00:44:00,700 --> 00:43:58,759
uh we moved to London for about six

845
00:44:02,650 --> 00:44:00,710
months my stepdad was recording an album

846
00:44:05,230 --> 00:44:02,660
over there and we lived around the

847
00:44:07,059 --> 00:44:05,240
corner from 15 Berkeley Square the

848
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:07,069
famous horror of Berkeley Square right

849
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:09,049
famous haunted location in London where

850
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:10,430
I initially heard of it

851
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:13,670
and so we went I had a book you know I

852
00:44:16,569 --> 00:44:15,170
had a list of all the hunting places in

853
00:44:19,689 --> 00:44:16,579
London I was gonna see what was like

854
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,699
walking distance from our house and this

855
00:44:23,170 --> 00:44:21,440
was right around the corner so I went

856
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:23,180
and I was pledged to knock in the door

857
00:44:28,029 --> 00:44:25,430
and be like hey uh I'm an American guy

858
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:28,039
can't come in and take some photographs

859
00:44:34,059 --> 00:44:30,529
and check out your house you know as it

860
00:44:36,759 --> 00:44:34,069
turns out it was a bookstore so I just

861
00:44:38,439 --> 00:44:36,769
kind of went in and most of the hunting

862
00:44:40,029 --> 00:44:38,449
you know in stories takes place in the

863
00:44:43,959 --> 00:44:40,039
third and fourth floor which was

864
00:44:45,189 --> 00:44:43,969
off-limits and so I got on the first

865
00:44:46,329 --> 00:44:45,199
floor if you know for a little bit

866
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:46,339
there's about two people worked in there

867
00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:48,049
and I waited to one of the one around

868
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:49,640
the counter and the other person was

869
00:44:54,489 --> 00:44:51,650
looking and I ran up the stairs to the

870
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:54,499
third and the fourth floor and took some

871
00:45:00,370 --> 00:44:58,640
pictures and um until I heard some

872
00:45:02,019 --> 00:45:00,380
footsteps coming down the stairs from

873
00:45:03,549 --> 00:45:02,029
the top of the floor and then I kind of

874
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:03,559
freaked out a little bit and I left

875
00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:05,089
because I didn't want to end up you know

876
00:45:10,449 --> 00:45:08,420
in jail or whatever and when the

877
00:45:12,489 --> 00:45:10,459
pictures came back in fact so I took

878
00:45:14,289 --> 00:45:12,499
about you know I was 35 millimeters

879
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:14,299
right back in those days as a film took

880
00:45:18,339 --> 00:45:15,890
so thirty-five pictures I did the whole

881
00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:18,349
role every picture I took from the first

882
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,390
and second floor came out perfectly and

883
00:45:24,939 --> 00:45:22,160
all the pictures from the third and

884
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:24,949
fourth floor were allegedly all the wood

885
00:45:28,959 --> 00:45:27,529
stuff took place came out veiled but

886
00:45:32,349 --> 00:45:28,969
with like a little bit of lights in

887
00:45:33,699 --> 00:45:32,359
there so that was my first investigation

888
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:33,709
and from then on I was pretty much

889
00:45:39,189 --> 00:45:36,049
hooked do you still have those pictures

890
00:45:42,459 --> 00:45:39,199
today no I have no idea what fortunately

891
00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:42,469
yeah yeah yeah I've got you know what I

892
00:45:49,779 --> 00:45:45,099
have from when I was 12 years old

893
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:49,789
nothing I got nothing I've got

894
00:45:54,699 --> 00:45:52,249
absolutely nothing my parents still have

895
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:54,709
stuff but I'm it me I don't know how my

896
00:45:59,769 --> 00:45:57,890
parents managed to hang onto stuff but I

897
00:46:01,299 --> 00:45:59,779
don't have anything from when I was 12 I

898
00:46:02,709 --> 00:46:01,309
don't yeah then we moved around so much

899
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,719
I thought you know I would kept a whole

900
00:46:06,699 --> 00:46:03,920
lot of stuff and when I was a kid so

901
00:46:11,049 --> 00:46:06,709
right right but the first two floors

902
00:46:13,689 --> 00:46:11,059
crystal clear floors three and four word

903
00:46:15,309 --> 00:46:13,699
simply build not blurred like veil like

904
00:46:17,499 --> 00:46:15,319
there's some kind of like a veil like a

905
00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:17,509
mist in front of the lens yeah right

906
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:19,190
right right was it

907
00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:20,930
I'm Greta you know like the lighting was

908
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:22,190
different right it was when the doctor

909
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:24,170
and school workers I didn't have to have

910
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:25,490
customers that could you know see the

911
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:27,890
books and all that but you know I don't

912
00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:29,840
know I don't know what it means but it

913
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:32,600
you know it it just got me going it was

914
00:46:35,830 --> 00:46:34,160
exciting you know age 12

915
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:35,840
everything nature of everything could go

916
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:38,600
you know everything everybody the skies

917
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:40,310
the UFO you know you get around one side

918
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:42,320
about that stuff so that kind of was my

919
00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:44,810
origin story well and there's there's

920
00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:49,540
one other thing about you Alex that you

921
00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:52,700
are responsible for some of the most

922
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,080
amazing images that have been

923
00:47:02,110 --> 00:46:58,160
distributed out there in the paranormal

924
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:02,120
that's number one most people don't know

925
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:04,930
that you are the origin of these

926
00:47:11,230 --> 00:47:08,200
photographs and stories and reports and

927
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:11,240
which and and some of the stuff goes

928
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:15,310
back a long long ways very very famous

929
00:47:21,310 --> 00:47:17,990
investigated paranormal and UFO stories

930
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:21,320
and including some of the most recent

931
00:47:28,540 --> 00:47:25,730
stuff which is the try paying UFO series

932
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:28,550
of photographs which is a story that you

933
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:32,210
uncovered and broke I have now seen

934
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:35,810
those images all over television I see

935
00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:37,220
them all the time on the internet I've

936
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:39,020
seen them in a couple of books that have

937
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:43,370
been sent to me and and as phenomenal as

938
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:46,250
the images are and the story is most

939
00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:50,890
don't attribute that back to you because

940
00:47:57,850 --> 00:47:53,900
one of the things that I don't see you

941
00:48:01,240 --> 00:47:57,860
do is stand up and shout look at me

942
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:01,250
right all you want is honest hard

943
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:03,650
research out there I hate saying boots

944
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:06,290
on the ground but with you that's that's

945
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:09,290
exactly what happens why is that Alex

946
00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:13,250
that you you you have chosen to go down

947
00:48:19,570 --> 00:48:15,800
the path of research and and not the

948
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:19,580
path of stardom that's a that's a good

949
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:22,370
question I don't know you know I I tried

950
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:23,930
you know occasionally you'll see my post

951
00:48:26,590 --> 00:48:25,400
on Facebook you know I'm like alright

952
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,600
you know I'm gonna do it harder I'm

953
00:48:31,090 --> 00:48:27,920
gonna bring attention to myself I'm

954
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:31,100
gonna talk crap but you know it's not

955
00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:32,570
really my nature ultimately and I hate

956
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:33,120
to

957
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,570
extent these days you want any attention

958
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:39,000
I don't know I'll have an answer for you

959
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:41,490
I just think that you know I sort of

960
00:48:46,850 --> 00:48:44,520
this naive perception that uh researcher

961
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:46,860
kind of speak for itself and you should

962
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,450
get attention from the work that you do

963
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,400
not because you know you're great on

964
00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:53,760
camera right but you know and I mean

965
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,590
part any photos I'm not great on camera

966
00:49:00,460 --> 00:48:58,200
you know so I realized I've done my

967
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:00,470
strength my strength is in research and

968
00:49:04,850 --> 00:49:03,210
probably being able to kind of tell

969
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,860
what's what's real and what's not that's

970
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:06,960
kind I think you know so I kind of try

971
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:09,720
to focus on that but yeah I don't really

972
00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:12,270
I don't know okay let's let's start to

973
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:14,340
break this down we're gonna do this in a

974
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:18,720
few different segments tonight and and

975
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:21,650
I'm you know we're calling this the the

976
00:49:27,350 --> 00:49:25,110
paranormal report card tonight we're

977
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:27,360
gonna break all of this down when you

978
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:31,230
started well it started at the age of 12

979
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:33,210
was the first thing that you did over in

980
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:36,180
England and I get that but as far as

981
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:41,670
getting your feet wet here in in the

982
00:49:48,830 --> 00:49:44,210
paranormal supernatural UFO community

983
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:48,840
was there a researcher back then that

984
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:51,150
you admired and looked up to and said

985
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:52,890
you know this is this is really cool and

986
00:49:58,340 --> 00:49:55,170
and this is what I admire and this is

987
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:58,350
what I would like to do there was

988
00:50:04,330 --> 00:50:01,500
encrypted ology which was a man who very

989
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:04,340
month which is a Belgium

990
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:05,880
cryptozoologist a lot of people don't

991
00:50:10,610 --> 00:50:08,250
even know existed because he was the

992
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:10,620
first academic to kind of take a look at

993
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:13,020
uh you know what was considered

994
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:15,690
paranormal back in those days but from

995
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:17,670
the us or paranormal side I really

996
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:20,100
didn't you know I didn't have anybody

997
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:21,870
specifically that I kind of looked up to

998
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,980
them yeah you have to remember through

999
00:50:27,860 --> 00:50:25,440
Becca know there's the internet wasn't

1000
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,870
quite as relevant as it is today so you

1001
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:30,240
didn't have access to all this

1002
00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:31,890
information all these researchers you

1003
00:50:36,350 --> 00:50:33,360
just had kind of whatever books kind of

1004
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:36,360
came out so there's nobody specifically

1005
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:37,800
you know figurehead wise that I really

1006
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:40,740
looked up to to be honest so it was and

1007
00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:43,440
the reason why I asked it was was it the

1008
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:45,630
crypto side of things occur pill zoology

1009
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:46,740
side of things that

1010
00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:50,250
drew you in first um

1011
00:50:55,580 --> 00:50:52,830
no I said us hoping was kind of Jimmy in

1012
00:50:58,820 --> 00:50:55,590
first as a kid I somebody bought me a

1013
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:58,830
comic book and I was visiting my

1014
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:00,180
grandparents who lived in a small

1015
00:51:04,310 --> 00:51:02,490
village in France and I think my

1016
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:04,320
grandfather I'm guessing bad me this

1017
00:51:08,090 --> 00:51:06,450
huge like hardback comic book and it was

1018
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:08,100
all it was all stories about real life

1019
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:12,750
you are event from you know from the

1020
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:16,110
first abduction in Brazil in 1957 to you

1021
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,119
name it it was all I was all on there

1022
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:20,640
and I was kind of like my first because

1023
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:21,990
it's a true story on it that was my

1024
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:24,780
first inkling and I was like wow this

1025
00:51:32,810 --> 00:51:28,470
actually happens yes have been aged

1026
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:32,820
maybe right right right right and but it

1027
00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:35,270
was interesting that it was a

1028
00:51:41,330 --> 00:51:38,369
cryptozoology researcher that you admire

1029
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:41,340
first and who were you because we're

1030
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:42,930
gonna talk about what's going on today

1031
00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:45,330
and I want the audience to get a feel

1032
00:51:54,140 --> 00:51:51,270
for what acclimated you to UFO research

1033
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:54,150
and where you're you know where you hold

1034
00:52:00,560 --> 00:51:58,050
the bar as far as solid research is and

1035
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:00,570
so let's look at the the UFO side of

1036
00:52:05,180 --> 00:52:02,490
things back when you started into this

1037
00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:05,190
who are the UFO researchers that you

1038
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,150
admired that did it the right way but

1039
00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:12,720
then I think Linda Moulton Howe because

1040
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:14,550
that was right kinda after she did her

1041
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:16,920
cattle mutilation study right I still

1042
00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:20,760
had the original books that definitely

1043
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,230
the biggest impact come to think of it

1044
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:24,960
only because it was something tangible

1045
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:26,820
that you can measure and after thinking

1046
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:28,619
that way this is not just about looking

1047
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,690
up in the sky and hoping that you're

1048
00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:32,400
gonna see something or going back and

1049
00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:34,080
taking you know people sightings reports

1050
00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:35,670
another there's actually a physical

1051
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:37,590
evidence that you can go down and

1052
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:40,380
measure and correlate to the UFO

1053
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:42,630
phenomena and not have a huge impact on

1054
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,910
where we go on to investigate later on

1055
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:47,040
well that's an interesting point to make

1056
00:52:56,359 --> 00:52:51,420
because tangible evidence in the UFO

1057
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:56,369
field because of what that represents I

1058
00:53:01,450 --> 00:52:58,850
mean what could be evidence

1059
00:53:04,990 --> 00:53:01,460
right and the uniform that's that's the

1060
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:05,000
Holy Grail so whether you're the what do

1061
00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:12,760
none of it so far I don't think we have

1062
00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:15,590
any evidence hard evidence whatsoever we

1063
00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:17,000
have because everything's kind of

1064
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:18,560
correlated right we had this abduction

1065
00:53:23,860 --> 00:53:21,050
reports and we have you know implants

1066
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:23,870
right but it's still just a correlation

1067
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:26,570
there's no direct cost because we don't

1068
00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:27,530
really really know

1069
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:29,780
condors got in there so it doesn't count

1070
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:33,200
to me even a calculation today it's we

1071
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:34,820
know that UFOs have been seeing around

1072
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:36,350
the cattle the night before the day

1073
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:39,530
after whatever but especially maybe a

1074
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:43,520
handful of eyewitness that claim to have

1075
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:44,690
seen the other channels list you have

1076
00:53:46,180 --> 00:53:45,830
flows off the ground we don't know for

1077
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,190
sure

1078
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:48,800
I think evidence is out there you know I

1079
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honestly hundred percent believe that

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their structures out there left over

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maybe and you know places like Siberia I

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00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:55,880
know there's a lot of tales down there

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there's absolutely bodies there has to

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be there has to be a DNA trace somewhere

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either buried or even within our own DNA

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but a hundred percent don't think any of

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the claims have come forth so far in

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terms of evidence is sufficient well

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okay so what do we do about sightings

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video photographs and sightings of

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witnesses we'll get back well we'll

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circle back around to the abduction side

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00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:29,390
of things but you and I personally had

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that fantastic sighting out in 29 palms

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with Steve and the rest of the fader

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knots when we were out on the patio

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there when that thing shot up out of the

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middle of the desert floor and went

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straight up and into the Stars now when

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something like that happens it could be

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you know paranormal supernatural like

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you know it could be a some

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interdimensional spirit being or I don't

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00:55:02,020 --> 00:55:00,110
know what it was but clearly it happened

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00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:02,030
when somebody said it'd be cool if we

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saw a UFO and and you being there what

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did you think you saw that night I think

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00:55:15,009 --> 00:55:12,349
we saw something normal

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00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:15,019
anomalous there so it fits you know it

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00:55:19,150 --> 00:55:17,630
fits the UFO model look I've seen maybe

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00:55:21,219 --> 00:55:19,160
five or six US laws in my lifetime

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00:55:23,469 --> 00:55:21,229
including up close huh nope I said

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00:55:25,329 --> 00:55:23,479
they're real they exist but that's

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different than saying that you can prove

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00:55:29,319 --> 00:55:27,049
it you know and that's kind of like I

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00:55:30,249 --> 00:55:29,329
think we have to hold ourselves to a

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00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:30,259
higher standard when it comes to

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evidence because ultimately we have to

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00:55:36,759 --> 00:55:34,339
prove this to the rest of the world to

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the non-believers and look I've seen a

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US so I was thinking I was on a plane

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one time coming back from from Canada

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and I saw this like this beige brown

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brown object kind of tailed the plane

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right outside my window and I saw it it

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was it wasn't that far you know

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00:55:54,579 --> 00:55:53,029
so hundred percent it couldn't have been

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anything else right as it was a nama

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00:56:00,370 --> 00:55:57,019
list it was right very definition it was

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00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:00,380
a UFO but it still to me it's still not

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00:56:11,229 --> 00:56:07,430
hard evidence you yeah okay okay you had

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00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:11,239
an amazing you made contact in Beverly

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Hills in your backyard right correct

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00:56:22,539 --> 00:56:15,680
when I was ten yeah yeah you made

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contact and what more do you need for

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00:56:28,779 --> 00:56:25,640
proof oh it's not me I'm hundred percent

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00:56:31,859 --> 00:56:28,789
convinced right but it's not about me I

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think I'm you know I kind of like to

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00:56:35,979 --> 00:56:33,739
arrogantly I guess kind of think of

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00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:35,989
myself is trying to kind of bridge you

1141
00:56:40,329 --> 00:56:38,930
know that the gap between us people have

1142
00:56:42,249 --> 00:56:40,339
had experiences or people you know

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00:56:43,739 --> 00:56:42,259
researchers and the rest of the world

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00:56:47,319 --> 00:56:43,749
that knows absolutely nothing you know

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00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:47,329
so I was trying to think what would be

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00:56:51,609 --> 00:56:48,380
considered evidence and what's

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00:56:52,989 --> 00:56:51,619
sufficient for for those people for the

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00:56:55,450 --> 00:56:52,999
people that don't believe in it or don't

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00:56:57,489 --> 00:56:55,460
know anything about the phenomena look I

1150
00:56:59,019 --> 00:56:57,499
can you know like that express out I was

1151
00:57:00,459 --> 00:56:59,029
ten it was up close I see it as two

1152
00:57:03,219 --> 00:57:00,469
other witnesses there's no doubt right

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00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:03,229
in my mind but it's still just a story

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00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:07,249
and we know how our memory is entire

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00:57:15,269 --> 00:57:13,369
book and we know I know we lost so we

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lost the Alex we got to reset the phones

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we're gonna take a break here anyway

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this is fade to black I'm Jimmy Church

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our guest tonight is Alex Mastretta and

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gonna Thomas's tweet here it says

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parking this guy's say there is no

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sufficient evidence has he ever heard of

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that's not what he said well that is

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what he said and that is Alex Mastretta

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this is fade to black how murals to be

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short break on the game changer Network

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welcome back fade to black I'm arrows

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Timmy Church tonight our guest is Alex

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Mastretta one of the very few full-time

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professional investigators in our

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community who spent his Bennet he's been

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everywhere when I say that he was the

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mufon los angeles director of

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investigations and what comes with that

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is the Los Angeles Chapter MUFON used to

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be I don't know where it is now the

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largest chapter in the world of MUFON

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and huge monthly meetings that I used to

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go to back in the day and that that says

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a lot right there Alex and you've been

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watching this community with its ebb and

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flow with tensions you know going around

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for years where are we at today with the

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community split yes I think we're living

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in a mess I think it's a lot more in

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fact they used to be it has become a

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little more popular this little bit more

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money in television I don't think we're

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a good place you know I don't always

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personally I don't like where we're at

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right now why because it's become about

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the personalities not so much about

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research and what's true what's not

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doesn't seem to matter anymore and it's

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a lot more polarized than it used to be

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it's like yeah and I think that

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obviously that's that's reflected in the

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other aspects of our country and the

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world but it's like either one side is

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all right is right all the time and

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everybody else is wrong now there's no

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more middle ground in our field it seems

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like and not just that but I see a lot

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of people kind of grouping together

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trying to kinda have a monopoly on the

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information that's coming forward and

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that worries me a little bit you know it

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has that has that always been there

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though yeah I think so I think maybe not

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to this extent though and I don't know

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maybe I'm more frustrated with that I

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used to be some guy noticing more you

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know but I think we've always had the

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potential to go in that direction but I

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just think that

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her attention placed upon the field

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mostly I think by you know from

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television that's kind of its kind of

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had that up you know it's like it's it's

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gone crack well in years gone past and

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you know I may be wrong Alex but we had

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the Billy Meyer group right and that

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whole thing and then we had the the

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richard hoagland face on Mars crowd we

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had you know all of that but of course

1343
01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:12,730
the Roswell crowd surface too as well

1344
01:06:19,830 --> 01:06:17,230
and and william moore and and what was

1345
01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:19,840
going on with him and then you can throw

1346
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:24,430
in the the mj-12 documents and you know

1347
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:26,020
this is going back you know thirty

1348
01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:29,470
thirty five you know forty years for a

1349
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:32,350
lot and then you had wendell stevens and

1350
01:06:37,860 --> 01:06:34,630
all of his photographs and evidence and

1351
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:37,870
crashed retrieval information you know

1352
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:40,990
what I mean where we had you know we

1353
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:42,970
always had different groups that were

1354
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:47,290
you know on the playground saying that

1355
01:06:54,180 --> 01:06:50,410
there there mo there modality was the

1356
01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:54,190
correct one yeah now you're right but

1357
01:06:58,890 --> 01:06:56,470
they didn't team up like they do today

1358
01:07:02,400 --> 01:06:58,900
and I think that's a little bit of a new

1359
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:02,410
deal you know like you know I mean you

1360
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,210
look at you know the whole lot at tip

1361
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:05,920
and Academy the stars and all that and

1362
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:08,670
teaming teaming up with beerus you know

1363
01:07:14,220 --> 01:07:11,530
no personalities in UFO field and other

1364
01:07:15,390 --> 01:07:14,230
groups and it's these entities are

1365
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:15,400
becoming a little bigger I think than

1366
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:17,290
they used to be right and I think that's

1367
01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:19,290
a little is a bit of a concern and where

1368
01:07:25,590 --> 01:07:23,380
you were with MUFON for a very very long

1369
01:07:28,410 --> 01:07:25,600
time fact that's how I met you was

1370
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,420
through movie actor thirteen years I had

1371
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:30,400
thirteen years you were there

1372
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:33,610
where is is MUFON today in the UFO

1373
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,610
community on the bottom I I think

1374
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:41,920
they've lost all sense of perspective so

1375
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:43,690
don't get me wrong some of the local

1376
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:45,730
chapters like you know I have great

1377
01:07:49,470 --> 01:07:49,030
investigators I could respect like Ruben

1378
01:07:51,329 --> 01:07:49,480
or

1379
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:51,339
which is people out of a chapter up

1380
01:07:57,930 --> 01:07:54,880
north there's a great investment I'm

1381
01:07:59,329 --> 01:07:57,940
losing you again Alex your reception is

1382
01:08:03,810 --> 01:07:59,339
is crapping out

1383
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:03,820
let me move another okay well we'll find

1384
01:08:08,790 --> 01:08:05,890
out go ahead and repeat that you said

1385
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,800
Northern California I think yes for

1386
01:08:11,790 --> 01:08:10,240
example you have Ruben Uriarte up there

1387
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:11,800
who does fantastic work right there's a

1388
01:08:17,070 --> 01:08:13,119
lot of excellent investigated within

1389
01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:17,080
move on but I think Nissan as a as a

1390
01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:19,960
group has completely lost this ways and

1391
01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:22,600
they're becoming irrelevant anyone be

1392
01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:25,270
honored yeah and and why do you okay but

1393
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,100
but why that's the question why do you

1394
01:08:31,709 --> 01:08:29,920
think that you know when when you have

1395
01:08:36,539 --> 01:08:31,719
an organization with such a storied

1396
01:08:38,370 --> 01:08:36,549
history and would seem to be able to

1397
01:08:42,059 --> 01:08:38,380
attract the best investigators and

1398
01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:42,069
attract the best UFO sightings and cases

1399
01:08:47,820 --> 01:08:44,440
that they would have nothing but growth

1400
01:08:51,599 --> 01:08:47,830
and respect why the downward direction

1401
01:08:53,550 --> 01:08:51,609
in MUFON I think this did refuse to take

1402
01:08:55,499 --> 01:08:53,560
a stand on a lot of important issues

1403
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:55,509
obviously started with I think of

1404
01:09:00,050 --> 01:08:57,850
certain individuals that you know a part

1405
01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:00,060
of the board that was kind of you know

1406
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:03,100
had borderline white supremacist to be

1407
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:05,850
honest you know and you found in nothing

1408
01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:08,799
absolutely nothing to counteract that

1409
01:09:13,530 --> 01:09:10,900
they just ignored it

1410
01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:13,540
they also endorsed they've been

1411
01:09:16,019 --> 01:09:14,950
endorsing whether its kind of popular

1412
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:16,029
you know the latest we were the latest

1413
01:09:19,769 --> 01:09:17,650
whistleblower well let's do conference

1414
01:09:20,940 --> 01:09:19,779
at that guy because he's popular mm-hmm

1415
01:09:22,349 --> 01:09:20,950
that's not what a new phone was supposed

1416
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,359
to stand for this was supposed to be

1417
01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:24,880
scientific investigative group right at

1418
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:27,339
its base says so in their in their model

1419
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:30,250
so they flew did you know they go after

1420
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:31,810
the money now they're hooking themselves

1421
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:33,910
up with universe television shows again

1422
01:09:40,050 --> 01:09:37,839
for money and you know Michigan to get

1423
01:09:41,849 --> 01:09:40,060
their to be up there with the big boys

1424
01:09:43,890 --> 01:09:41,859
it's none of it's about research anymore

1425
01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:43,900
now that is about looking for the truth

1426
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:45,580
it's about positioning yourself within

1427
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:46,960
the UFO community and that takes a lot

1428
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:52,799
of energy and and time and I think look

1429
01:09:57,450 --> 01:09:55,600
you know at the time is past its I think

1430
01:09:58,899 --> 01:09:57,460
time you know I think all groups at some

1431
01:10:01,979 --> 01:09:58,909
point Jenna

1432
01:10:04,209 --> 01:10:01,989
go away but I think for me personally

1433
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:04,219
there was usual to take a stand on

1434
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:08,210
specific issues for what's right is was

1435
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:10,850
a big another downfall how can they turn

1436
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:14,840
it around if you were in control what

1437
01:10:20,379 --> 01:10:18,400
would you do to turn around move on

1438
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:20,389
first of all which fire everybody at the

1439
01:10:28,209 --> 01:10:24,050
top okay okay you know I just start from

1440
01:10:29,530 --> 01:10:28,219
fresh it's and all that I mean it looks

1441
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,540
some of those guys at the top are

1442
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:32,000
probably pretty good guys right and and

1443
01:10:34,689 --> 01:10:33,199
I don't you know I've been away for too

1444
01:10:38,410 --> 01:10:34,699
long I don't know everybody i well or at

1445
01:10:41,709 --> 01:10:38,420
all really but if there be willing to

1446
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:41,719
you know grope here take a stand and do

1447
01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:45,290
what's cried it don't want they don't be

1448
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:48,260
long and running a UFO we got full group

1449
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:51,230
goes this isn't about preaching to the

1450
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:52,790
choir right move on originally was

1451
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:54,050
supposed to again they're supposed to be

1452
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:56,510
the bridge between what we what we know

1453
01:11:00,459 --> 01:10:58,880
to be true and the rest of the world and

1454
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:00,469
bringing on information to the rest of

1455
01:11:07,629 --> 01:11:04,250
the world and elevate the UFO right

1456
01:11:09,129 --> 01:11:07,639
phenomena in public consciousness so to

1457
01:11:11,050 --> 01:11:09,139
speak and I've been doing none of that

1458
01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:11,060
it's all being very self-serving so I

1459
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:12,820
would give it everybody of circumscribe

1460
01:11:19,450 --> 01:11:17,210
with with UFO research in general and

1461
01:11:23,620 --> 01:11:19,460
when you have somebody out there that

1462
01:11:26,129 --> 01:11:23,630
has had a sighting or has made contact

1463
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:26,139
you know somebody like me which I have

1464
01:11:33,310 --> 01:11:30,710
but how do they how do you keep their

1465
01:11:36,459 --> 01:11:33,320
interest in the subject without getting

1466
01:11:39,459 --> 01:11:36,469
discouraged these days because it seems

1467
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:39,469
that you know like going to move on with

1468
01:11:45,310 --> 01:11:41,350
your sighting or report

1469
01:11:47,530 --> 01:11:45,320
you know nothing may happen and and I've

1470
01:11:49,629 --> 01:11:47,540
heard these stories over and over again

1471
01:11:50,260 --> 01:11:49,639
where I've got an email I had the

1472
01:11:52,570 --> 01:11:50,270
sighting

1473
01:11:55,780 --> 01:11:52,580
I contacted move on nobody reached out

1474
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,790
to me so I'm contacting you what do I do

1475
01:12:00,370 --> 01:11:57,679
what what advice do you give to somebody

1476
01:12:03,729 --> 01:12:00,380
to keep them positive about what is

1477
01:12:05,860 --> 01:12:03,739
going on honestly so much you can see is

1478
01:12:07,899 --> 01:12:05,870
another we can't stall up of everyone

1479
01:12:09,250 --> 01:12:07,909
you know like I mean when I was an

1480
01:12:10,930 --> 01:12:09,260
investigator I tried

1481
01:12:12,490 --> 01:12:10,940
I always caught something I fall and try

1482
01:12:14,770 --> 01:12:12,500
to meet him face to face everything

1483
01:12:16,210 --> 01:12:14,780
time if I could and then you sort have

1484
01:12:17,380 --> 01:12:16,220
to follow up you know after that so you

1485
01:12:19,150 --> 01:12:17,390
know how to feel about things and all

1486
01:12:21,580 --> 01:12:19,160
that but because there isn't an answer

1487
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:21,590
because we just we don't have a large

1488
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:23,180
enough group and a large enough funding

1489
01:12:27,820 --> 01:12:25,010
source that we can follow up with all

1490
01:12:29,980 --> 01:12:27,830
those people on a regular basis but I

1491
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:29,990
think a modicum of respect should be the

1492
01:12:33,610 --> 01:12:31,730
least call somebody that reports

1493
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:33,620
exciting you know at the very least and

1494
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:35,750
I mean that needs to be that needs to be

1495
01:12:39,070 --> 01:12:37,310
done you know at least get in touch with

1496
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:39,080
them it's not because then otherwise

1497
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,570
they feel like they're just giving you

1498
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:43,520
what happened owe me for a lot of people

1499
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:45,170
this is very personal right these we

1500
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,610
forget sometimes we're taking out a lot

1501
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,840
of reports and sightings but there's

1502
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:49,760
people behind those and somewhat some of

1503
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:51,890
those encounters are traumatic for some

1504
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:52,880
of these individual and we need to

1505
01:12:56,230 --> 01:12:54,170
understand that and deal with that

1506
01:12:57,670 --> 01:12:56,240
accordingly so I think that's the first

1507
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:57,680
step is understanding that these are

1508
01:13:01,450 --> 01:12:59,090
actual people and you should follow up

1509
01:13:02,740 --> 01:13:01,460
with F so everybody if you can and but

1510
01:13:06,190 --> 01:13:02,750
that's up to do you know I had a guy

1511
01:13:08,230 --> 01:13:06,200
even uh two three years ago obviously

1512
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:08,240
this had nothing to do pars of MUFON or

1513
01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:09,650
anything with me personally this guy

1514
01:13:13,150 --> 01:13:11,960
called me about exciting and I coming

1515
01:13:14,710 --> 01:13:13,160
back I'm like well give me a couple days

1516
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:14,720
to see what I can come up and see you

1517
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:17,330
and a day later you know he called me 14

1518
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:19,730
times about 14 messages and one of them

1519
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:21,340
threatened to kill me with a shotgun

1520
01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:24,830
so you know and there's some people you

1521
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:26,780
just can't you gotta leave leave them

1522
01:13:30,940 --> 01:13:28,730
all and you know you can't deal with

1523
01:13:32,110 --> 01:13:30,950
them but I think it starts with

1524
01:13:34,810 --> 01:13:32,120
understanding that these are people

1525
01:13:35,980 --> 01:13:34,820
having real experiences and you have

1526
01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:35,990
treat the other treat him accordingly

1527
01:13:40,210 --> 01:13:38,870
you know as like you would if you're a

1528
01:13:41,650 --> 01:13:40,220
psychologist for example some come in

1529
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:41,660
they have an issue they're not a number

1530
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:44,690
you know and I know that's hard to do

1531
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:47,770
but I think that's what for stuck with

1532
01:13:57,790 --> 01:13:53,120
with your research over the years one of

1533
01:14:00,700 --> 01:13:57,800
the things that was always in the way

1534
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:00,710
between this community and the

1535
01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:03,440
government was they had information they

1536
01:14:08,140 --> 01:14:05,660
were withholding it they were lying to

1537
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:08,150
us and they were also calling us crazy

1538
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:11,210
and and and so forth we were conspiracy

1539
01:14:17,530 --> 01:14:15,170
theorists and and so it was us versus

1540
01:14:21,130 --> 01:14:17,540
them and it was a battle that was always

1541
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:21,140
fought today you know over the last

1542
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:24,650
couple of years now there are those in

1543
01:14:29,649 --> 01:14:26,360
this UFO commune

1544
01:14:32,529 --> 01:14:29,659
both not only with to the stars but now

1545
01:14:34,779 --> 01:14:32,539
people around to the stars and members

1546
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:34,789
of this community that are suddenly

1547
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:37,610
putting all of their trust in the

1548
01:14:43,209 --> 01:14:39,530
Department of Defense and the Pentagon

1549
01:14:46,270 --> 01:14:43,219
and the CIA for the information that is

1550
01:14:49,629 --> 01:14:46,280
coming forward that's a pretty dangerous

1551
01:14:52,060 --> 01:14:49,639
zone to get into and I'm talking about

1552
01:14:55,569 --> 01:14:52,070
trusting the man as this has been

1553
01:14:57,790 --> 01:14:55,579
developing what's your take I think it's

1554
01:15:00,100 --> 01:14:57,800
an extremely dangerous position because

1555
01:15:02,949 --> 01:15:00,110
look when that whole thing first started

1556
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:02,959
you know I defended some of that you

1557
01:15:05,739 --> 01:15:04,249
know some of you some of the people and

1558
01:15:07,029 --> 01:15:05,749
negative comments towards you know to

1559
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:07,039
the Stars Academy what they were trying

1560
01:15:10,299 --> 01:15:08,570
to do I thought hey let's give it a try

1561
01:15:13,770 --> 01:15:10,309
see where it goes it you know it could

1562
01:15:15,759 --> 01:15:13,780
be it could be a good thing right but

1563
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:15,769
but yeah no you're right you're getting

1564
01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:18,010
your info from the very people that

1565
01:15:22,330 --> 01:15:20,360
first of all different it's our job

1566
01:15:23,589 --> 01:15:22,340
description is to lie and spread this

1567
01:15:23,919 --> 01:15:23,599
information that's what they do for a

1568
01:15:25,689 --> 01:15:23,929
living

1569
01:15:30,189 --> 01:15:25,699
and they're better at it than any of us

1570
01:15:33,009 --> 01:15:30,199
and smart you know most of us and now by

1571
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,019
by so many people joining them or giving

1572
01:15:37,089 --> 01:15:34,880
in their trust or you know groups like

1573
01:15:39,909 --> 01:15:37,099
you fund joining him and all that you're

1574
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:39,919
giving them so much power and so much

1575
01:15:46,779 --> 01:15:43,090
control over what information comes out

1576
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:46,789
that it I mean you're giving the very

1577
01:15:50,770 --> 01:15:49,280
people that that have been lying to you

1578
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:50,780
for all these years that have been not

1579
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,610
telling you the truth holding back info

1580
01:15:58,270 --> 01:15:54,800
now you're now you're trusting him to

1581
01:16:01,089 --> 01:15:58,280
give you the truth or for everything to

1582
01:16:02,379 --> 01:16:01,099
be funneled through their eyes I mean

1583
01:16:05,770 --> 01:16:02,389
how do you know how does that work

1584
01:16:07,540 --> 01:16:05,780
that's a very dangerous now this is not

1585
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:07,550
that's like less people control more

1586
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,409
information in the UFO community and

1587
01:16:15,909 --> 01:16:11,840
that's really not the way to go do you

1588
01:16:18,459 --> 01:16:15,919
think it's done by design 100%

1589
01:16:20,259 --> 01:16:18,469
absolutely I think it's been a plan you

1590
01:16:21,699 --> 01:16:20,269
know I've talked about this I was given

1591
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:21,709
grand camera a ride in the car one time

1592
01:16:26,259 --> 01:16:23,689
we had a long conversation about that

1593
01:16:27,879 --> 01:16:26,269
and I read a lot of I grieve a lot of

1594
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:27,889
things he says and I was kind of telling

1595
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:29,090
the same thing I go I think this has

1596
01:16:32,290 --> 01:16:30,650
been planned for for a while now and

1597
01:16:33,159 --> 01:16:32,300
this is you know this is kind of just

1598
01:16:35,589 --> 01:16:33,169
coming to fruition

1599
01:16:37,899 --> 01:16:35,599
you know today and it's going to be like

1600
01:16:39,129 --> 01:16:37,909
you know every other piece of this

1601
01:16:39,609 --> 01:16:39,139
information is gonna be some good

1602
01:16:41,410 --> 01:16:39,619
evident

1603
01:16:43,450 --> 01:16:41,420
and it's going to be some real info

1604
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:43,460
that's going to come out but around out

1605
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,159
they're going to build a denial system

1606
01:16:50,350 --> 01:16:48,800
you know or I mean I'm not you know I

1607
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:50,360
hope they feel go as far as back in line

1608
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:53,270
you know the stably rich you know the

1609
01:16:56,890 --> 01:16:55,130
alien each strawberry ice cream type of

1610
01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:56,900
deal I think we've evolved the

1611
01:17:01,419 --> 01:16:58,790
discrimination campaign has evolved

1612
01:17:02,859 --> 01:17:01,429
beyond that and that's it's a very other

1613
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:02,869
using media smartly right they're

1614
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:05,330
getting a show of a History Channel so

1615
01:17:10,060 --> 01:17:07,520
let me know if you have all this you

1616
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,070
know so-called secret UFO you know info

1617
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:11,840
to release and you need the first person

1618
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:13,130
instant really said you only go straight

1619
01:17:16,450 --> 01:17:14,420
to History Channel and a little show on

1620
01:17:20,820 --> 01:17:16,460
it it's just another way I think you

1621
01:17:26,620 --> 01:17:20,830
just kind of like control the field and

1622
01:17:30,609 --> 01:17:26,630
and yeah I guess a Juris the the report

1623
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:30,619
you just mentioned grant Cameron who who

1624
01:17:36,660 --> 01:17:33,770
I think is is is very honest I really do

1625
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:36,670
and very very committed very committed

1626
01:17:44,589 --> 01:17:40,330
to trying to get this question answered

1627
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:44,599
and I would give grant an a on his

1628
01:17:54,669 --> 01:17:46,940
report card what other researchers out

1629
01:17:57,970 --> 01:17:54,679
there deserve an a no one don't what I'm

1630
01:17:59,169 --> 01:17:57,980
sorry alright you're going and my god I

1631
01:18:03,399 --> 01:17:59,179
think it meant enough Christopher

1632
01:18:05,500 --> 01:18:03,409
O'Brien absolutely he gets an a I I'm

1633
01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:05,510
the A+ for what that guy's been done

1634
01:18:10,209 --> 01:18:08,840
throughout the years you know that's how

1635
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:10,219
I kind of cut those three are the main

1636
01:18:16,540 --> 01:18:11,650
ones that come to mind right now

1637
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,550
and when we look at I don't want to you

1638
01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:18,560
know mention names with with failing

1639
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:22,520
grades but there we're talking about

1640
01:18:29,709 --> 01:18:26,449
dozens and dozens of a list researchers

1641
01:18:34,450 --> 01:18:29,719
out there that are missing from the a

1642
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:34,460
column on the report card why I mean

1643
01:18:40,660 --> 01:18:37,190
what what what's going wrong today with

1644
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:40,670
UFO research that you can't give more

1645
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,449
passing grades I think it's and I've

1646
01:18:48,939 --> 01:18:46,880
talked about this a Steve Steve Morello

1647
01:18:50,350 --> 01:18:48,949
a couple times it seems that and this

1648
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:50,360
has been going on ever since with that

1649
01:18:53,410 --> 01:18:53,210
UFO researcher a lot of researchers you

1650
01:18:57,729 --> 01:18:53,420
know

1651
01:18:59,290 --> 01:18:57,739
start off hundred percent honest and you

1652
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,300
know they do great work the whole deal

1653
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:02,239
but as time goes on for whatever reason

1654
01:19:06,850 --> 01:19:06,050
your your ability to discern what's real

1655
01:19:10,990 --> 01:19:06,860
and what's not

1656
01:19:12,820 --> 01:19:11,000
suffers and it seems to me there's only

1657
01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:12,830
a few individual in this field that kind

1658
01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:15,469
of managed to keep the compass where it

1659
01:19:19,770 --> 01:19:17,270
should be and I don't know what that

1660
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:19,780
stems from you know honestly like even

1661
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:22,730
look even we were talking about you know

1662
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,890
Linda earlier and her tail mutilation

1663
01:19:29,620 --> 01:19:26,719
from early work is fantastic but

1664
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:29,630
personally I disagree and she's I think

1665
01:19:32,919 --> 01:19:31,280
she's honest right but first I disagree

1666
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:32,929
with first of all her drone her work on

1667
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:34,730
the drones and I think she to me she

1668
01:19:38,919 --> 01:19:36,050
lost a little bit that ability to

1669
01:19:40,330 --> 01:19:38,929
discern what's real and what's not much

1670
01:19:43,689 --> 01:19:40,340
less so than a lot of other people you

1671
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:43,699
know but and it's hard because you know

1672
01:19:47,740 --> 01:19:45,170
I think that the years ago we get all

1673
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:47,750
really frustrated in terms of I'm not

1674
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:50,719
getting answers and seeing other people

1675
01:19:53,890 --> 01:19:52,250
you know I made a surprising I was the

1676
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:53,900
other people like get television shows

1677
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:55,310
and get money and funding whatever

1678
01:19:59,439 --> 01:19:58,010
because you know there they claim to be

1679
01:20:00,760 --> 01:19:59,449
either whistleblowers or they come up

1680
01:20:03,370 --> 01:20:00,770
with these big stories that more often

1681
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:03,380
than not or not true so I think that

1682
01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:04,640
psychologically you gotta convince

1683
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:06,020
yourself a lot of these other stories

1684
01:20:12,250 --> 01:20:09,650
are true and and you know and you kind

1685
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:12,260
of go down that road see and I think

1686
01:20:15,970 --> 01:20:13,250
that's that's the problem

1687
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,980
yeah that's where that's where you and I

1688
01:20:22,930 --> 01:20:17,920
are I think we've discussed this before

1689
01:20:28,750 --> 01:20:22,940
privately but I worry I still have to

1690
01:20:32,620 --> 01:20:28,760
this day dragon fly drones folder that I

1691
01:20:33,700 --> 01:20:32,630
have passed but I think and that's but

1692
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:33,710
that's what a mistake I think a lot of

1693
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:35,810
investigators made because we still

1694
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:38,570
wanted to be real we can lure of

1695
01:20:45,010 --> 01:20:42,320
expectations and lore on our defenses in

1696
01:20:46,150 --> 01:20:45,020
terms of we read more in than we should

1697
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:46,160
I think we should have the opposite

1698
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:47,570
effect where because we want it to be

1699
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:51,260
real so badly we should kind of raise

1700
01:20:56,979 --> 01:20:53,570
where the evidence needs to be even

1701
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:56,989
above you know

1702
01:21:02,410 --> 01:20:59,600
yeah I'm even not explaining really yeah

1703
01:21:06,190 --> 01:21:02,420
yeah and and and what about the efforts

1704
01:21:09,190 --> 01:21:06,200
of John Greenwald in the black vault

1705
01:21:11,290 --> 01:21:09,200
certainly he deserves an A Oh a plus

1706
01:21:14,410 --> 01:21:11,300
plus John you know we've got our

1707
01:21:16,780 --> 01:21:14,420
disagreements and knots and fears but um

1708
01:21:19,180 --> 01:21:16,790
he's uh he's the best of the best he's

1709
01:21:20,530 --> 01:21:19,190
done I think he's done more for this

1710
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:20,540
field than almost anybody cuz I think

1711
01:21:24,490 --> 01:21:22,070
the black vault again it's one of those

1712
01:21:25,870 --> 01:21:24,500
groups and the black vault and John that

1713
01:21:29,260 --> 01:21:25,880
kind of transcends the community right

1714
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:29,270
people outside of the community can go

1715
01:21:31,330 --> 01:21:30,560
to black volcano find something you're

1716
01:21:33,010 --> 01:21:31,340
interested in

1717
01:21:35,620 --> 01:21:33,020
not necessarily you are formulated then

1718
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:35,630
I'll bring him to you know that the some

1719
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:37,850
of the UFO stories so I think he's you

1720
01:21:44,050 --> 01:21:40,570
absolutely John Greenwald a plus and

1721
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:44,060
then if we if we go back a little bit I

1722
01:21:47,950 --> 01:21:46,640
do want to discuss the UK before we get

1723
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:47,960
out of here when we come back we're

1724
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:51,770
gonna jump around to a Bigfoot when we

1725
01:21:57,670 --> 01:21:54,770
come back after the break but then we

1726
01:22:03,580 --> 01:21:57,680
have you know guys like you know Jacques

1727
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:03,590
Vallee that has just chosen to to back

1728
01:22:10,710 --> 01:22:07,280
up and and and off of this field when he

1729
01:22:13,210 --> 01:22:10,720
was one of the most respected

1730
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:13,220
intellectuals professional intellectuals

1731
01:22:18,670 --> 01:22:16,610
in in our community that has chosen to

1732
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:18,680
take a step back you know he's he's a

1733
01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:21,440
money guy now up in Silicon Valley and

1734
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:23,150
that's his thing and which is great

1735
01:22:32,010 --> 01:22:26,650
fantastic you know he's an investor but

1736
01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:32,020
this field needs more Jacques valets

1737
01:22:37,930 --> 01:22:35,900
yeah I met the gentleman one time but I

1738
01:22:39,610 --> 01:22:37,940
always say that you should never be a

1739
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:39,620
UFO investigator until you've read all

1740
01:22:43,390 --> 01:22:42,110
Jack valley's works but but here's the

1741
01:22:45,220 --> 01:22:43,400
thing this goes back to your private

1742
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:45,230
point in fact I think Jacques Vallee

1743
01:22:50,530 --> 01:22:47,330
stopped when he said all he had to say

1744
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:50,540
say about his particular research here

1745
01:22:56,860 --> 01:22:53,090
subject anything more you might have had

1746
01:22:59,170 --> 01:22:56,870
to add on that maybe so that's not true

1747
01:23:00,670 --> 01:22:59,180
or make stuff up or you know to keep it

1748
01:23:02,110 --> 01:23:00,680
your life you want to keep it going and

1749
01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:02,120
there's there's only so much material

1750
01:23:06,370 --> 01:23:04,760
you have in your research right and I

1751
01:23:08,770 --> 01:23:06,380
think maybe in his mind he stopped

1752
01:23:10,750 --> 01:23:08,780
before he reached the poor where he was

1753
01:23:12,010 --> 01:23:10,760
becoming dishonest or he had to maybe

1754
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:12,020
you know stretch the truth a little bit

1755
01:23:15,850 --> 01:23:13,730
or go into a territory he's not

1756
01:23:17,380 --> 01:23:15,860
comfortable with yeah yeah you know a

1757
01:23:18,379 --> 01:23:17,390
lot of respect to him for that you know

1758
01:23:20,959 --> 01:23:18,389
yeah

1759
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:20,969
he pretty much said that to me we we had

1760
01:23:27,370 --> 01:23:24,510
a conversation about well a few times

1761
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:27,380
about him coming on fade to black and

1762
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:30,179
not to get into those details because

1763
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:33,210
there were many of those but one day I

1764
01:23:37,490 --> 01:23:35,520
mean he looked right at me and he said

1765
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,500
you know with that voice right that

1766
01:23:41,899 --> 01:23:39,360
accent he's a big tall guy too right

1767
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:41,909
he's looking down at me and he goes

1768
01:23:48,410 --> 01:23:45,239
Jimmy I just don't have anything new to

1769
01:23:51,140 --> 01:23:48,420
say I don't have anything new I don't

1770
01:23:54,140 --> 01:23:51,150
want to revisit the past when when when

1771
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:54,150
I have something right let's do this but

1772
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,489
right now I have nothing new and that

1773
01:24:01,310 --> 01:23:58,800
that's right right I what can I say to

1774
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:01,320
that you know I would love to have him

1775
01:24:05,450 --> 01:24:02,610
on the show he's like the one guy that I

1776
01:24:09,109 --> 01:24:05,460
that I haven't interviewed that I would

1777
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:09,119
love to have my chance at asking him a

1778
01:24:13,629 --> 01:24:11,460
few questions but that's that's his

1779
01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:13,639
position and I couldn't get him to bend

1780
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:18,030
yeah no I think that's that's goes to

1781
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,440
your prior point exactly right that's

1782
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:21,420
what we all should do really if we have

1783
01:24:26,140 --> 01:24:23,850
nothing else to say now what do we don't

1784
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:26,150
do well what do we do we're going to be

1785
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:29,010
heading towards a break here what what

1786
01:24:33,859 --> 01:24:31,590
do we do today to change UFO research

1787
01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:33,869
and and and push this thing closer to

1788
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:36,300
disclosure it seems like we got all the

1789
01:24:40,939 --> 01:24:38,580
videos all the films all the eyewitness

1790
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:40,949
testimony all of the abduction we have

1791
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:43,860
all of that that we need what do we do

1792
01:24:48,879 --> 01:24:47,340
you as an investigator to push this

1793
01:24:50,930 --> 01:24:48,889
thing forward

1794
01:24:54,109 --> 01:24:50,940
money we need more money and we need a

1795
01:24:57,919 --> 01:24:54,119
professional service where investigators

1796
01:24:59,899 --> 01:24:57,929
get paid and are able to go out and get

1797
01:25:01,899 --> 01:24:59,909
evidence and that that's really like a

1798
01:25:04,609 --> 01:25:01,909
me everything that we do is just like

1799
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:04,619
like one of my best cases was a pine

1800
01:25:08,209 --> 01:25:06,330
mountain case we had a landing case in a

1801
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:08,219
balance and earlier I was able to go

1802
01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:09,810
there was two months after the fact you

1803
01:25:15,010 --> 01:25:12,360
know so we need to create a system where

1804
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:15,020
investigators are the drop of the Hat

1805
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:17,850
have all the funding they need to go

1806
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:20,580
where they need to go and I think we

1807
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,510
also need to establish a

1808
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:23,760
multidisciplinary approach where we're

1809
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,900
looking at this from all kinds of

1810
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:27,360
different angles because again the idea

1811
01:25:30,979 --> 01:25:29,400
for me is to bring this to the world

1812
01:25:31,970 --> 01:25:30,989
right this phenomenon isn't belong to us

1813
01:25:33,260 --> 01:25:31,980
doesn't it belongs

1814
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:33,270
to everybody to the world it's the most

1815
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:35,250
important subject on the planet today

1816
01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:38,070
period so you know do that though we

1817
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,070
gotta find something for people to grab

1818
01:25:44,990 --> 01:25:43,440
onto now you know sorry for you bring up

1819
01:25:46,820 --> 01:25:45,000
abduction that's too much for you know

1820
01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:46,830
80 percent of the population but you

1821
01:25:51,650 --> 01:25:48,630
take a multidisciplinary approach were

1822
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:51,660
you sure you'll have a calculation still

1823
01:25:55,450 --> 01:25:52,920
have your abductions you'll have DNA

1824
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:55,460
research I think it's the next step and

1825
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,520
I'm also next exploration aspects of it

1826
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:00,960
what we for example would go out inside

1827
01:26:04,220 --> 01:26:02,610
beer and investigate and try to get some

1828
01:26:07,670 --> 01:26:04,230
more evidence you know about stories of

1829
01:26:09,650 --> 01:26:07,680
ancient structures and all that and but

1830
01:26:11,540 --> 01:26:09,660
that needs 35 a central hub and

1831
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:11,550
investigators need to get paid and they

1832
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:14,610
need to be needs to be legit you know

1833
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:16,290
you need scientists you need explorers

1834
01:26:21,229 --> 01:26:18,210
you need that's the next step it's a big

1835
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:21,239
step but I think if we don't move in

1836
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:23,250
that direction we're just going to be

1837
01:26:27,260 --> 01:26:25,530
you know amateurs running around you

1838
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:27,270
know taking eyewitness accounts and

1839
01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:29,010
looking up at the sky with you know with

1840
01:26:38,050 --> 01:26:32,310
us chief infrared I don't don't don't

1841
01:26:43,670 --> 01:26:40,820
I use it whenever I can get hold of it

1842
01:26:46,729 --> 01:26:43,680
but it's you know now they're great I

1843
01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:46,739
see some I'm just messing with you I'm

1844
01:26:51,050 --> 01:26:49,500
just messing with you they that that to

1845
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:51,060
me and we're gonna take a break here in

1846
01:26:55,970 --> 01:26:53,610
20 seconds night-vision goggles and

1847
01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:55,980
seeing what's going on up up in the

1848
01:27:01,250 --> 01:26:58,650
skies that that's a game-changer for

1849
01:27:02,780 --> 01:27:01,260
anybody where you sit you're looking and

1850
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:02,790
then you look at the night vision you

1851
01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:05,010
pull them down and you go back and

1852
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:06,840
you're watching stuff zig zag and do

1853
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:08,940
these crazy stuff in the sky and you

1854
01:27:13,130 --> 01:27:10,350
know that you can't see it with the

1855
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:13,140
naked eye and it's going on above you

1856
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:16,860
every single night but nobody knows but

1857
01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:19,170
now we have the ability to go and watch

1858
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:20,640
all of it I think it's one of the most

1859
01:27:25,070 --> 01:27:22,860
fascinating parts of you followed you

1860
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:25,080
today this is fade to black our guest

1861
01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:27,930
tonight Alex Mastretta when we come back

1862
01:27:31,490 --> 01:27:29,640
he's one of the leading Bigfoot

1863
01:27:33,710 --> 01:27:31,500
researchers out there and we're gonna

1864
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,720
discuss Bigfoot when we come back this

1865
01:27:37,230 --> 01:27:35,280
is fade to black and the game changer

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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Jimmy Church this is a revolution the

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welcome back fade to black cameo super

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Church our guest tonight alex Mistretta

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giving us his report card on our

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paranormal supernatural UFO community

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and none better to do this and Alex

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we've got to change gears here and get

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over to what's going on

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you know today with a Bigfoot you been

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out there investigating Bigfoot for how

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many years

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well it's been well I didn't feel my

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first on time out in the field was only

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about three years ago but it's something

1980
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I've been following closely since uh

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since college really I my bachelor's in

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it one of my bachelor's in anthropology

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and it was specifically because of

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Bigfoot and okay what let's start here

1985
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let's start on on solid ground no pun

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intended in your estimation with what

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you have investigated are we looking for

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something that is real yes and and and

1989
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what evidence and not only the evidence

1990
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that you have collected but the evidence

1991
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that you have seen over the years allows

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you to say that I think it's a

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combination of two historical accounts

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you know going back from hundreds if not

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a thousand years in some locations not

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just in the u.s. to outside of the

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United States the obviously you get the

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footprints you know and you've got great

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01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:50,260
number of sightings but you also have

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some hair samples that come out have

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01:34:58,410 --> 01:34:55,330
been analyzed and we're as primate but

2002
01:34:59,760 --> 01:34:58,420
unknown primate so to me I think it's a

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01:35:01,710 --> 01:34:59,770
combination of all the evidence put

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together but I think you know because

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every culture I mean every Native

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01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:06,940
American tribe in North America almost

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as a long oral history of this specie

2008
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and and then you go across into Russia

2009
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and Siberia and the Yeti and upon Tibet

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01:35:19,950 --> 01:35:17,740
they all had the same stories and they

2011
01:35:22,590 --> 01:35:19,960
all have the same physical attributes

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and similar behavior and all that so I

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think it's a big big everything put

2014
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together to me makes a pretty solid case

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that

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have you known unknown bipedal hominid

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01:35:37,649 --> 01:35:34,210
walking around or hominid what is it

2018
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:37,659
that Bigfoot researchers are doing wrong

2019
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:41,170
today they're going where the sightings

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01:35:48,780 --> 01:35:44,800
are I think that's a myth because you

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01:35:50,540 --> 01:35:48,790
can eat I think just looking at a little

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01:35:52,740 --> 01:35:50,550
bit more from a biological standpoint

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pick an area whatever had any sightings

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because I to me personally I think when

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we're having sightings is where where we

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go right so if we if we've been there

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once we've been there prior to that and

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01:36:07,169 --> 01:36:04,989
if we've been there ten many times this

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01:36:08,609 --> 01:36:07,179
is not worth Bigfoot's where the specie

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lives that's not where they reproduce

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01:36:12,689 --> 01:36:09,849
I'm going to get the water and their

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food because there's man I think it's

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01:36:18,689 --> 01:36:14,409
just those are just the sightings it's

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01:36:20,010 --> 01:36:18,699
just just happen to be we just it's it's

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01:36:21,780 --> 01:36:20,020
luck we just happened to be at the same

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01:36:23,879 --> 01:36:21,790
place they're at at that particular time

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01:36:26,819 --> 01:36:23,889
I think we need to go much deeper in the

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forest and not just due to us though but

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in Siberia and in Russia as well and

2040
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:31,090
think of it a little more biologically

2041
01:36:35,879 --> 01:36:33,610
in terms what makes sense where would

2042
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such a specie be able to live in a large

2043
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,230
group and be willing reproduce so they

2044
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:40,719
can carry on you know their genetic

2045
01:36:47,129 --> 01:36:45,280
stock now three years ago you went on a

2046
01:36:48,750 --> 01:36:47,139
Bigfoot expedition you did it with

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01:36:53,339 --> 01:36:48,760
bricks in it you did it with Steve

2048
01:36:56,220 --> 01:36:53,349
Murillo and a a camera person I don't I

2049
01:37:00,979 --> 01:36:56,230
don't recall the name but so you went up

2050
01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:00,989
and oddly enough you guys not only

2051
01:37:08,569 --> 01:37:03,460
collected some pretty amazing evidence

2052
01:37:11,129 --> 01:37:08,579
up there but we used it on our TV show

2053
01:37:14,939 --> 01:37:11,139
for the History Channel the unexplained

2054
01:37:16,530 --> 01:37:14,949
and that happened right when we were in

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the middle of taping the show and the

2056
01:37:25,339 --> 01:37:20,980
evidence came rolling in but that was

2057
01:37:28,649 --> 01:37:25,349
also very close to II said II wasn't it

2058
01:37:32,069 --> 01:37:28,659
just a few mouse in that really and what

2059
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:32,079
drew you guys to that area well I've

2060
01:37:36,359 --> 01:37:34,480
been kind of picking out areas that was

2061
01:37:37,530 --> 01:37:36,369
accessible within four days right

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01:37:39,299 --> 01:37:37,540
because we only got basically four

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weekend or for four days essentially out

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in the field

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and I knew that that time of year there

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01:37:47,010 --> 01:37:45,429
was an increase in sightings and then in

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that area so I think think like the

2068
01:37:50,850 --> 01:37:48,489
specie actually lives in the area I just

2069
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:50,860
think that they wonder that it's part of

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01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:53,050
their range whatever reason and for

2071
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:55,330
whatever reason in that time of year in

2072
01:37:59,790 --> 01:37:57,610
that specific area is where people tend

2073
01:38:02,310 --> 01:37:59,800
to see him and combined with the fact

2074
01:38:05,729 --> 01:38:02,320
that not a lot of people go there I

2075
01:38:08,610 --> 01:38:05,739
thought it was a pretty it was beyond

2076
01:38:10,110 --> 01:38:08,620
chance in terms of the amount of

2077
01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:10,120
sightings that they had so if we were

2078
01:38:14,129 --> 01:38:12,760
gonna go somewhere for four days again

2079
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:14,139
we had to go somewhere with the Hat

2080
01:38:18,450 --> 01:38:15,280
sightings I know I'm contradicting

2081
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:18,460
myself I'm saying earlier yes and you

2082
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:20,290
know but we didn't have a choice so that

2083
01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:22,860
was why it picked after to go close now

2084
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:26,980
you had already had a genuine interest

2085
01:38:33,540 --> 01:38:30,489
in Bigfoot before was pretty amazing

2086
01:38:36,300 --> 01:38:33,550
expedition that you guys went on what

2087
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:36,310
was your take on Bigfoot before that

2088
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:39,489
expedition and and then after how did

2089
01:38:44,660 --> 01:38:41,710
you change it didn't

2090
01:38:48,959 --> 01:38:44,670
my didn't change my my view of it at all

2091
01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:48,969
so it's just solidified yeah I mean

2092
01:38:53,220 --> 01:38:50,760
obviously once you find prints yourself

2093
01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:53,230
it's a whole different deal you know

2094
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:54,790
what you see it no no matter how much

2095
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:57,040
you thought it was true beforehand it

2096
01:39:01,169 --> 01:38:58,960
definitely reinforces your belief system

2097
01:39:03,870 --> 01:39:01,179
and it's something you can tangibly see

2098
01:39:07,860 --> 01:39:03,880
and today I changed your perspective in

2099
01:39:09,780 --> 01:39:07,870
terms of just from an emotion standpoint

2100
01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:09,790
but in terms of like just from evidence

2101
01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:12,150
pinpointed to change anything for me and

2102
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:15,219
let's let's talk about the popularity a

2103
01:39:25,410 --> 01:39:18,489
Bigfoot on television is that helping

2104
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:25,420
push this Bigfoot phenomenon forward it

2105
01:39:30,689 --> 01:39:27,610
is I think certain extent I think it is

2106
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:30,699
because it gives you more opportunities

2107
01:39:35,340 --> 01:39:33,040
to you know talk about it and maybe

2108
01:39:38,010 --> 01:39:35,350
create opportunities to go out there and

2109
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:38,020
get some funding but the other hand and

2110
01:39:44,129 --> 01:39:42,250
you know it hurts it because you know so

2111
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:44,139
much of that is crap to be honest you

2112
01:39:49,110 --> 01:39:46,510
know it's not real research you know

2113
01:39:50,669 --> 01:39:49,120
they go to areas where obviously Bigfoot

2114
01:39:53,459 --> 01:39:50,679
sightings didn't happen in some of these

2115
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:53,469
shows so it hurts the credibility on one

2116
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:54,370
hand

2117
01:39:58,740 --> 01:39:56,890
you know it's it's it's that line that

2118
01:40:00,500 --> 01:39:58,750
we all have to come to walk through in

2119
01:40:02,930 --> 01:40:00,510
this in this field you know between

2120
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:02,940
credibility and getting enough attention

2121
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:05,170
so we're able to actually go out and do

2122
01:40:13,020 --> 01:40:09,130
work so it's a mixed bag it's so okay

2123
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:13,030
and then we have we have a problem here

2124
01:40:19,020 --> 01:40:15,610
and it's the same thing with UFOs or Oak

2125
01:40:23,330 --> 01:40:19,030
Island but when you when you have a

2126
01:40:25,890 --> 01:40:23,340
Bigfoot show I already know the ending

2127
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,900
right well I can tell you what's not

2128
01:40:28,980 --> 01:40:27,520
gonna happen on the Bigfoot show there's

2129
01:40:33,570 --> 01:40:28,990
not going to be a big reveal

2130
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:33,580
all right and are we putting too much

2131
01:40:37,740 --> 01:40:35,110
I'm talking about the community out

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there putting too much into the hopes

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that the Bigfoot phenomenon that reality

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is going to be revealed on network

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television right yeah it wouldn't would

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it it would it would be done in a

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scientific context and in a whitepaper

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through a pretty significant press

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conference it's not going to be held

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back for an edited episodic television

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series yeah absolutely it's now that's

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not the way to know it works and these

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days it's so hard to keep that secret

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you know if you're out the TV crew and

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you filmed big flat feet from you you

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know you're probably gonna have a press

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01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,460
conference at some point so yeah agreed

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01:41:23,250 --> 01:41:21,040
and that's not the point of those shows

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01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:23,260
right right it's in fact appointment

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it's not to find stuff because if you

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find something you don't have you don't

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have you know your next season so you

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gotta keep people wanting it's like

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Vegas you know if you if you win it's

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not good you want to lose still house

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wants you to lose so so how do we change

2157
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it in terms of TV shows mean you're in

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this field in general well I mean how do

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we change that you know we have the the

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public's view on this they're developing

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opinions by how it's being presented on

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network television network television

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has got their way of doing things which

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drives these Bigfoot teams and and how

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they want to you know get on TV

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they're not necessarily doing research

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and they're doing a television show how

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do we change that we go to the next step

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I think television shows are fine I make

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fun of them all the time

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but they're fine but we have to first of

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all research and the same thing saying

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well phenomena next step yes again our

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professional research and evil to go up

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there do it okay we're losing him again

2176
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:39,489
Alex we're losing you again yeah you're

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saying very important things and we're

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oh man

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I apologize everybody Alex I know okay

2180
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:56,489
we've lost you

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01:43:02,130 --> 01:42:59,199
okay what about right now okay all right

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01:43:08,490 --> 01:43:02,140
Alex wherever you please for the love of

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God don't move oh man

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okay I apologize everybody I'm gonna

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take a break right here and reset these

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phone lines there's nothing I can do

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about it this is fade to black I'm your

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humming Oh Scooby Church gremlins in the

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studio tonight it's not that big of a

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deal will always work through it the

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show must go on we're talking with Alex

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Mastretta Alex how's the reception are

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you there yeah it's perfect for my end

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so I couldn't tell okay all right well

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it's it sounds much better now okay so

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back to the Bigfoot question when when

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what we have today is a lot of

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footprints you've you've seen those I've

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seen those and for me it it change I was

2307
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always a big Bigfoot skeptic and you

2308
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know that and you know and and when you

2309
01:49:23,319 --> 01:49:21,050
see your first set of footprints it's a

2310
01:49:28,180 --> 01:49:23,329
it's a pretty good feeling it freaked me

2311
01:49:30,609 --> 01:49:28,190
out but that see it seems like that's

2312
01:49:33,939 --> 01:49:30,619
all we have got we we haven't had any

2313
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:33,949
bones or any bodies or of certainly that

2314
01:49:40,779 --> 01:49:36,650
would end the Bigfoot question but would

2315
01:49:42,819 --> 01:49:40,789
this suggest something more paranormal

2316
01:49:45,370 --> 01:49:42,829
or supernatural about Bigfoot that it

2317
01:49:48,549 --> 01:49:45,380
just may not even be a physical being

2318
01:49:49,870 --> 01:49:48,559
I don't yeah I don't really buy that at

2319
01:49:51,219 --> 01:49:49,880
all first of all I think we do have the

2320
01:49:52,359 --> 01:49:51,229
bones and the bodies but we just don't

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know that we have the bones and the

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01:49:57,819 --> 01:49:55,249
bodies just think about it right there's

2323
01:50:01,209 --> 01:49:57,829
no such thing as Bigfoot officially so

2324
01:50:04,270 --> 01:50:01,219
if you find any anomalous bones you know

2325
01:50:05,799 --> 01:50:04,280
dating from from now so let's say four

2326
01:50:08,979 --> 01:50:05,809
million years ago right you saw an

2327
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:08,989
anomalous bones here in Africa anywhere

2328
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:11,030
you're gonna grouping with something

2329
01:50:15,279 --> 01:50:13,010
that you already know exists never gonna

2330
01:50:19,209 --> 01:50:15,289
come back as ancestor the Bigfoot or

2331
01:50:21,250 --> 01:50:19,219
current Bigfoot so honestly I think the

2332
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:21,260
bones and bodies there I really do I

2333
01:50:26,140 --> 01:50:22,880
just think we've just been naming them

2334
01:50:27,279 --> 01:50:26,150
something else well so I don't it here's

2335
01:50:28,540 --> 01:50:27,289
the thing with the paranormal thing I

2336
01:50:30,939 --> 01:50:28,550
don't think there's a need to bring that

2337
01:50:32,319 --> 01:50:30,949
into it and I get it and again there's

2338
01:50:34,180 --> 01:50:32,329
some of those sightings here in the US

2339
01:50:35,469 --> 01:50:34,190
you know that reporter know phenomenon

2340
01:50:37,239 --> 01:50:35,479
you know you up hoping another Bigfoot

2341
01:50:40,209 --> 01:50:37,249
and I'm open to look into him I really

2342
01:50:43,049 --> 01:50:40,219
am but it's only here in the United

2343
01:50:45,250 --> 01:50:43,059
States we don't get those type of

2344
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:45,260
paranormal modalities when it comes to

2345
01:50:49,689 --> 01:50:48,110
Bigfoot in the rest of the world in Asia

2346
01:50:59,319 --> 01:50:49,699
or

2347
01:51:03,000 --> 01:50:59,329
just seem to disappear in that how can a

2348
01:51:08,529 --> 01:51:03,010
large you know 7 foot 6 foot 7 foot

2349
01:51:10,930 --> 01:51:08,539
400-pound being just disappear that's

2350
01:51:15,729 --> 01:51:10,940
that's what the fascinating part for me

2351
01:51:20,500 --> 01:51:15,739
is we can it seems that we can track any

2352
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:20,510
large creature and find them even in the

2353
01:51:26,669 --> 01:51:23,150
depths of the oceans but with with

2354
01:51:31,629 --> 01:51:26,679
Bigfoot it seems to appear and disappear

2355
01:51:32,739 --> 01:51:31,639
and that I don't have an answer for yeah

2356
01:51:34,930 --> 01:51:32,749
man I think I don't know I don't really

2357
01:51:36,459 --> 01:51:34,940
I stick to disappearing data where

2358
01:51:39,310 --> 01:51:36,469
people say it disappears before their

2359
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:39,320
eyes is pretty small compared to their

2360
01:51:44,549 --> 01:51:41,570
just a number of sightings worldwide of

2361
01:51:47,259 --> 01:51:44,559
you know of what looks like a you know a

2362
01:51:49,569 --> 01:51:47,269
bipedal hominid here's the thing though

2363
01:51:52,060 --> 01:51:49,579
I mean we've never sure like we've

2364
01:51:54,100 --> 01:51:52,070
hunted a plethora of different types of

2365
01:51:57,069 --> 01:51:54,110
animals right in our history but we've

2366
01:51:58,810 --> 01:51:57,079
never actually gone out and trying the

2367
01:52:01,000 --> 01:51:58,820
hunted something that's bipedal that's

2368
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:01,010
something that we're not elements in the

2369
01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:02,690
forest they are they know how to move

2370
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:04,369
through it they know how to escape

2371
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:07,610
they'll to be honest part B's in a never

2372
01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:10,639
find Bigfoot because they make so much

2373
01:52:14,770 --> 01:52:13,340
noise we smell like soap we're I mean

2374
01:52:16,359 --> 01:52:14,780
this thing can pick us out from a mile

2375
01:52:19,689 --> 01:52:16,369
away you know so it's really hard to

2376
01:52:21,399 --> 01:52:19,699
approach and like I said I'm willing to

2377
01:52:23,529 --> 01:52:21,409
look into them but I think to be honest

2378
01:52:28,270 --> 01:52:23,539
is such a small small percentage of the

2379
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:28,280
data that we've accumulated that it it's

2380
01:52:34,419 --> 01:52:31,570
not worth going there first I think it's

2381
01:52:35,890 --> 01:52:34,429
it's more viable like if you look at

2382
01:52:38,949 --> 01:52:35,900
from an evolutionary standpoint and from

2383
01:52:41,319 --> 01:52:38,959
a biology standpoint first it makes a

2384
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:41,329
lot more sense because we know an animal

2385
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:43,489
or specie like Bigfoot is possible

2386
01:52:46,330 --> 01:52:45,050
because it exists they already exist in

2387
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:46,340
a fossil record where do you have

2388
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:48,530
species that have primitive

2389
01:52:53,259 --> 01:52:49,760
characteristics and modern

2390
01:52:55,509 --> 01:52:53,269
characteristics we know that there was a

2391
01:52:58,140 --> 01:52:55,519
giant ape in Gigantopithecus we know

2392
01:53:00,759 --> 01:52:58,150
that there was a hairy bipedal primitive

2393
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:00,769
hominid related to man in the past from

2394
01:53:05,310 --> 01:53:03,250
Homo erectus to hormonal lady that code

2395
01:53:06,660 --> 01:53:05,320
with modern man so we know there's

2396
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:06,670
already something there for us to start

2397
01:53:12,030 --> 01:53:10,330
with so my belief is you start at the

2398
01:53:13,710 --> 01:53:12,040
beginning you summon what you know and

2399
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:13,720
what you can prove and yes you know

2400
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:15,970
parallel modalities find their way into

2401
01:53:21,150 --> 01:53:18,490
your story as it goes on that's fine

2402
01:53:22,530 --> 01:53:21,160
then you deal with it but I don't think

2403
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:22,540
that's where we should start from we're

2404
01:53:28,490 --> 01:53:25,840
not there yet so you're suggesting which

2405
01:53:32,430 --> 01:53:28,500
and I as I listened to you I was

2406
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:32,440
visualizing this that because of where

2407
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:35,530
they live and who we are they can

2408
01:53:44,130 --> 01:53:40,080
absolutely stay miles away from us they

2409
01:53:45,090 --> 01:53:44,140
if they want to stay undiscovered they

2410
01:53:49,890 --> 01:53:45,100
can and they will

2411
01:53:51,570 --> 01:53:49,900
I think to certain extent but if but I

2412
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:51,580
think we've we haven't surprised them

2413
01:53:55,110 --> 01:53:52,810
either though you know I think most

2414
01:53:57,570 --> 01:53:55,120
again we've we haven't had a whole lot

2415
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:57,580
of full-fledged expeditions that have

2416
01:54:02,520 --> 01:53:59,440
gone really really deep into force where

2417
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,530
we think they may live and spend enough

2418
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:04,960
time there and spend enough money there

2419
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:07,930
to be able to stay there so I you know I

2420
01:54:11,220 --> 01:54:09,610
don't think honestly we haven't had most

2421
01:54:12,450 --> 01:54:11,230
of these expeditions or weekend deal

2422
01:54:15,150 --> 01:54:12,460
right we lost a weekend for two three

2423
01:54:17,460 --> 01:54:15,160
four days well I mean we got crazy lucky

2424
01:54:19,530 --> 01:54:17,470
with getting tracked where we want but

2425
01:54:24,620 --> 01:54:19,540
in reality we haven't been really doing

2426
01:54:29,460 --> 01:54:24,630
it right what about the Patterson film

2427
01:54:32,130 --> 01:54:29,470
it's been my belief that if the UFO

2428
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:32,140
community had a piece of footage like

2429
01:54:37,170 --> 01:54:35,170
the Patterson film it would be UFO case

2430
01:54:38,010 --> 01:54:37,180
closed too as well what do you think of

2431
01:54:43,020 --> 01:54:38,020
the Patterson film

2432
01:54:46,110 --> 01:54:43,030
I think it's and I've met Bob Gimlin so

2433
01:54:47,550 --> 01:54:46,120
gonna talk to a couple times I'm 99%

2434
01:54:49,500 --> 01:54:47,560
sure it's real

2435
01:54:50,850 --> 01:54:49,510
first of all despite what the lock

2436
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:50,860
people heard in the media no one has

2437
01:54:53,790 --> 01:54:52,330
actually come for and improved that

2438
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:53,800
there was a person in the suit there's

2439
01:55:00,060 --> 01:54:57,760
been seven claims of that second you

2440
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:00,070
know like so I got to take a look at the

2441
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:02,080
second-generation copyright and as a guy

2442
01:55:06,750 --> 01:55:04,570
that was trained in anthropology I know

2443
01:55:08,490 --> 01:55:06,760
what to look for in terms of movements

2444
01:55:10,530 --> 01:55:08,500
and the high turns his head and all that

2445
01:55:13,140 --> 01:55:10,540
everyone's heard you know I've heard all

2446
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,150
that before so I couldn't find anything

2447
01:55:17,100 --> 01:55:15,280
wrong with it whatsoever from strictly

2448
01:55:19,140 --> 01:55:17,110
from a biological

2449
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:19,150
standpoint the only thing that bugs me

2450
01:55:24,930 --> 01:55:21,760
just a little bit is that Roger

2451
01:55:27,479 --> 01:55:24,940
Patterson beforehand had a drawing in

2452
01:55:30,930 --> 01:55:27,489
his book that looked a whole lot like

2453
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:30,940
the you know the the Patterson film

2454
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:33,610
animal first hominid whatever you want

2455
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:35,530
to call it right you know and that's the

2456
01:55:39,899 --> 01:55:37,360
only thing to me that kind of bugs me

2457
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:39,909
just a little bit and if they hosted I

2458
01:55:42,959 --> 01:55:41,050
don't think they're dead because I don't

2459
01:55:43,979 --> 01:55:42,969
see how I could have been done in within

2460
01:55:48,919 --> 01:55:43,989
that time period

2461
01:55:51,870 --> 01:55:48,929
Bob certainly was unaware of it yeah

2462
01:55:56,370 --> 01:55:51,880
every time I look at the Patterson film

2463
01:56:01,560 --> 01:55:56,380
and I think about 1969

2464
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:01,570
68 67 1970 71 you know that time I think

2465
01:56:07,530 --> 01:56:04,960
of Planet of the Apes and I know that

2466
01:56:10,590 --> 01:56:07,540
Hollywood did the best that they could

2467
01:56:13,470 --> 01:56:10,600
right and the Patterson film is not

2468
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:13,480
Planet of the Apes so how could he have

2469
01:56:19,020 --> 01:56:15,810
pulled that off when Hollywood couldn't

2470
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:19,030
yeah it's hard I don't see from it I

2471
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:21,610
mean yeah I just said I could be done

2472
01:56:27,359 --> 01:56:23,770
and first of all I mean it back then you

2473
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:27,369
have to think of like that area in 1967

2474
01:56:31,649 --> 01:56:29,530
was way deep in woods if you're gonna

2475
01:56:32,939 --> 01:56:31,659
have a guy in a suit somewhere you're

2476
01:56:35,399 --> 01:56:32,949
gonna find easier place to do it you

2477
01:56:36,750 --> 01:56:35,409
know right first of all it's just it's

2478
01:56:39,570 --> 01:56:36,760
the same thing it's my same argument

2479
01:56:41,129 --> 01:56:39,580
with like so you still like me on my

2480
01:56:42,359 --> 01:56:41,139
tractor said it's exciting itself but

2481
01:56:43,950 --> 01:56:42,369
again for me it's not hard evidence

2482
01:56:45,090 --> 01:56:43,960
because it's a it's just a show of

2483
01:56:46,859 --> 01:56:45,100
something that may or may not have been

2484
01:56:51,629 --> 01:56:46,869
there but when you start finding traces

2485
01:56:53,609 --> 01:56:51,639
of tracks in like in jungles in the

2486
01:56:56,010 --> 01:56:53,619
world where nobody's haven't gone before

2487
01:56:58,080 --> 01:56:56,020
all right you know I deepen the force

2488
01:57:01,109 --> 01:56:58,090
and the power and a Malaya's or even you

2489
01:57:03,660 --> 01:57:01,119
know deep in Alaska you'd have to assume

2490
01:57:06,540 --> 01:57:03,670
that you know someone at hiked out for a

2491
01:57:09,390 --> 01:57:06,550
week to place them there as a hoax you

2492
01:57:11,370 --> 01:57:09,400
know it's it's such a such a fall apart

2493
01:57:12,270 --> 01:57:11,380
look a bit not to mention though and

2494
01:57:14,820 --> 01:57:12,280
that kind of goes back to your prior

2495
01:57:17,970 --> 01:57:14,830
question about what my evidence I think

2496
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:17,980
is it's a is great is that it would

2497
01:57:24,149 --> 01:57:21,130
almost take a worldwide like well-funded

2498
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:24,159
group to pull off into our Bigfoot hoax

2499
01:57:29,220 --> 01:57:26,290
every year if you include the number of

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sightings and footprints and people you

2501
01:57:31,290 --> 01:57:30,220
know

2502
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:31,300
and encounters that people have

2503
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,690
worldwide it be it's almost like it's it

2504
01:57:38,670 --> 01:57:35,920
ability it'll be like shaking you know

2505
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:38,680
the moon hoax painting you know yeah

2506
01:57:41,970 --> 01:57:40,570
yeah I agree with you all right

2507
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:41,980
right something it's been going on and

2508
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:43,090
it's appeared you know group has been

2509
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:44,800
doing this for generations and

2510
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generations our guest tonight is Alex

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Mastretta giving us his report card on

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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assuming Church I guess tonight Alex you

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Mastretta one of the few full-time

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professional investigators in our

2630
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community does a little bit of

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everything paranormal UFOs Bigfoot

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and Alex let's swing this thing around

2633
02:03:23,150 --> 02:03:20,310
the ghosts yeah okay well what was you

2634
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mentioned when you were 12 years old in

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in the UK that's one thing but on the

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professional side what was your first

2637
02:03:37,730 --> 02:03:35,070
entity ghost hunting trip it was after

2638
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college so it has to be I graduate in 97

2639
02:03:42,770 --> 02:03:40,920
so something like 1998 1999 so I came

2640
02:03:45,470 --> 02:03:42,780
back to Los Angeles and I kind of joined

2641
02:03:49,450 --> 02:03:45,480
this you know this amateur uh ghost

2642
02:03:51,470 --> 02:03:49,460
group I forgot I met one of the guys and

2643
02:03:53,270 --> 02:03:51,480
we went out and then you know a few

2644
02:03:54,500 --> 02:03:53,280
cases nothing happened it's not like I'm

2645
02:03:56,660 --> 02:03:54,510
television most of the time he's just

2646
02:04:00,020 --> 02:03:56,670
end up sitting in the dark you know and

2647
02:04:01,130 --> 02:04:00,030
at one point though the EMF meter is

2648
02:04:05,300 --> 02:04:01,140
kind of starting you know moving a

2649
02:04:07,070 --> 02:04:05,310
little bit and so I went forward and you

2650
02:04:09,860 --> 02:04:07,080
to this kind of like this laundry room

2651
02:04:11,510 --> 02:04:09,870
on one building and something hit me on

2652
02:04:13,370 --> 02:04:11,520
the ear you know I need to take anything

2653
02:04:15,140 --> 02:04:13,380
of it good one somebody took a picture

2654
02:04:17,540 --> 02:04:15,150
at the time when the picture developed

2655
02:04:20,540 --> 02:04:17,550
it shoulders like this like this ball

2656
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not an orbit because most orbs are you

2657
02:04:25,340 --> 02:04:23,280
know water moisture or particles but

2658
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it's just like a solid green light it

2659
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:27,020
just kind of happened hitting me on the

2660
02:04:33,260 --> 02:04:30,690
on the ear so I also kind of the first

2661
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:33,270
one that I went on you know after after

2662
02:04:40,610 --> 02:04:37,250
school now here we go we're in the same

2663
02:04:43,790 --> 02:04:40,620
mode as we are with Bigfoot and UFOs and

2664
02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:43,800
and network television there are

2665
02:04:50,810 --> 02:04:47,130
probably more Ghost Hunters shows on

2666
02:04:53,540 --> 02:04:50,820
television than March Madness basketball

2667
02:05:00,380 --> 02:04:53,550
games it's pretty crazy but where we are

2668
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:00,390
at today with us is that a good thing no

2669
02:05:06,050 --> 02:05:03,570
I thought it was but they've gotten so

2670
02:05:07,989 --> 02:05:06,060
out of control most of these guys in our

2671
02:05:09,979 --> 02:05:07,999
act

2672
02:05:14,359 --> 02:05:09,989
investigators that you get taxed for a

2673
02:05:16,429 --> 02:05:14,369
lot of the show it's all you know it's

2674
02:05:19,069 --> 02:05:16,439
all set up I know cuz I've been at a few

2675
02:05:22,810 --> 02:05:19,079
meetings for a handful of shows in this

2676
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:22,820
15 I'll just scene by scene to give you

2677
02:05:27,949 --> 02:05:26,159
this guy its kind of complete so now at

2678
02:05:30,770 --> 02:05:27,959
this point she's been demon and wear a

2679
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:30,780
tight shirt and screaming air and trip

2680
02:05:35,750 --> 02:05:33,119
you run around you know you don't Lee

2681
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:35,760
get to have a girl show so it's gone far

2682
02:05:41,029 --> 02:05:38,249
beyond what it originally intended to be

2683
02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:41,039
I think why is it and I need you to move

2684
02:05:48,469 --> 02:05:43,650
around and get your bars back as I ask

2685
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:48,479
this question why why haven't we

2686
02:05:56,330 --> 02:05:52,650
captured and figured out this this

2687
02:05:59,659 --> 02:05:56,340
phenomenon it's it's out there with so

2688
02:06:02,120 --> 02:05:59,669
much guesswork as to what is going on

2689
02:06:04,489 --> 02:06:02,130
right are these are these but you know

2690
02:06:07,429 --> 02:06:04,499
are they are they go so the entities are

2691
02:06:11,270 --> 02:06:07,439
they demons are these spirits are they

2692
02:06:13,159 --> 02:06:11,280
dead are they trapped in between one

2693
02:06:16,959 --> 02:06:13,169
reality and another is it

2694
02:06:19,609 --> 02:06:16,969
interdimensional we don't know do we

2695
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:19,619
know I think there's a lot of different

2696
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:21,360
modalities in place I don't think the

2697
02:06:25,759 --> 02:06:23,010
source is the same for all the events

2698
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:25,769
that you investigate the problem is it's

2699
02:06:29,770 --> 02:06:27,599
this is you have to sit around when

2700
02:06:35,209 --> 02:06:29,780
nothing happens for you know 24 hours

2701
02:06:38,270 --> 02:06:35,219
for for one EVP recording or one maybe

2702
02:06:40,069 --> 02:06:38,280
shadow you know it's it doesn't let it

2703
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:40,079
sell very well to television or research

2704
02:06:44,989 --> 02:06:43,050
because it's such a rare phenomena now I

2705
02:06:47,479 --> 02:06:44,999
think you can increase your odds by

2706
02:06:50,049 --> 02:06:47,489
going to very specific places where the

2707
02:06:53,959 --> 02:06:50,059
phenomenon seems to be fairly consistent

2708
02:06:55,459 --> 02:06:53,969
but the problem is why would you do that

2709
02:06:58,159 --> 02:06:55,469
when you can just kind of fake it and

2710
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:58,169
you know an exaggerated events for

2711
02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:00,719
television so that's kind of where the

2712
02:07:05,959 --> 02:07:04,050
problem lies is there okay

2713
02:07:08,149 --> 02:07:05,969
let's let's talk about the investigators

2714
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:08,159
that are out there out of the

2715
02:07:14,540 --> 02:07:11,280
investigation teams out there who gets

2716
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:14,550
an a on the report card the best in the

2717
02:07:17,449 --> 02:07:16,079
field is and I know I'm cheating with

2718
02:07:18,620 --> 02:07:17,459
Megan's a friend of mine would be dr.

2719
02:07:20,959 --> 02:07:18,630
Barry Taff

2720
02:07:22,669 --> 02:07:20,969
he's one of the only one of the PhD that

2721
02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:22,679
I'm aware of and we've been doing work

2722
02:07:26,990 --> 02:07:25,170
for four years so that would be the guy

2723
02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:27,000
it's a girl so I've worked with for a

2724
02:07:33,470 --> 02:07:28,170
number of years so I know that's a

2725
02:07:35,180 --> 02:07:33,480
little cheating but that would be good

2726
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:35,190
it would be for me to go to guys there's

2727
02:07:42,500 --> 02:07:39,030
a group out of Oregon I'm drawing a

2728
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:42,510
complete blank on their names yeah

2729
02:07:48,500 --> 02:07:43,440
through there

2730
02:07:50,510 --> 02:07:48,510
Oh ma'am yeah well forgetting a names

2731
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:50,520
but they're good okay we just complete

2732
02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:52,650
you completely dropped out there

2733
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:54,719
let me move back to my original spec can

2734
02:07:59,450 --> 02:07:56,570
you hear me out okay yeah I've got to

2735
02:08:01,089 --> 02:07:59,460
the group in Oregon Oh what was their

2736
02:08:04,910 --> 02:08:01,099
name

2737
02:08:05,450 --> 02:08:04,920
the League of extrasensory gentlemen I

2738
02:08:09,410 --> 02:08:05,460
believe

2739
02:08:11,780 --> 02:08:09,420
oh yes yes yeah they're great yeah you

2740
02:08:13,220 --> 02:08:11,790
know some left yeah I've talked to some

2741
02:08:14,419 --> 02:08:13,230
of them here and there on Facebook and

2742
02:08:15,979 --> 02:08:14,429
all that and I didn't value one of them

2743
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:15,989
on my Bigfoot trip a few years ago and

2744
02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:16,650
couldn't make it

2745
02:08:20,390 --> 02:08:18,719
they really do excellent work you know

2746
02:08:22,850 --> 02:08:20,400
they're probably the one group I would

2747
02:08:24,500 --> 02:08:22,860
recommend from the go side berries more

2748
02:08:26,990 --> 02:08:24,510
from the poltergeist side and there's a

2749
02:08:28,069 --> 02:08:27,000
difference and those would be my two I

2750
02:08:31,729 --> 02:08:28,079
would make a documentary

2751
02:08:34,430 --> 02:08:31,739
this would be my to go to team yeah most

2752
02:08:38,839 --> 02:08:34,440
people don't realize that Barry Taff was

2753
02:08:40,640 --> 02:08:38,849
the entity correct one in fact one of

2754
02:08:44,419 --> 02:08:40,650
characters in the film is based on Barry

2755
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,429
he was I was his case now you just said

2756
02:08:48,319 --> 02:08:46,320
something I want to I don't want this to

2757
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:48,329
get away from us did I hear you say that

2758
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:51,810
you've been at production meetings for

2759
02:09:03,080 --> 02:08:54,770
some of these ghost hunting shows and

2760
02:09:04,939 --> 02:09:03,090
some of it it was staged and you you're

2761
02:09:08,479 --> 02:09:04,949
the one guy that speaks the loudest

2762
02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:08,489
about all of this did you did you stand

2763
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:12,090
up in the meeting and say something no I

2764
02:09:15,229 --> 02:09:13,770
just refuse I say this is not for me and

2765
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:15,239
I refuse to take part in the shows

2766
02:09:19,879 --> 02:09:17,570
oh it's there's other ones that are paid

2767
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:19,889
you know the paid gigs that you know

2768
02:09:25,100 --> 02:09:22,170
turned down but that's kind of part of

2769
02:09:26,780 --> 02:09:25,110
the deal like what they do is don't like

2770
02:09:28,189 --> 02:09:26,790
for me obviously you know I'm I'm no

2771
02:09:29,870 --> 02:09:28,199
real investigator so they knew who I was

2772
02:09:32,270 --> 02:09:29,880
so they would they would have me and it

2773
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:32,280
would cast around me so

2774
02:09:35,419 --> 02:09:33,570
nobody else would be an actor pretending

2775
02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:35,429
to be on my team I've had back you know

2776
02:09:42,740 --> 02:09:40,650
offered to me a couple times and and

2777
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:42,750
I've just refused to do it so right

2778
02:09:47,990 --> 02:09:44,130
right

2779
02:09:52,970 --> 02:09:48,000
your set of photographs of the forest

2780
02:09:54,950 --> 02:09:52,980
with the girl in them I'm gonna I'm

2781
02:09:59,000 --> 02:09:54,960
gonna post him up here in a second

2782
02:10:02,299 --> 02:09:59,010
take everybody through those photographs

2783
02:10:05,390 --> 02:10:02,309
and what happened that day it was around

2784
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:05,400
2001 I was in Burton Brittany and France

2785
02:10:11,180 --> 02:10:09,360
I was out doing some research on the

2786
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:11,190
Holy Grail which was a chapter initially

2787
02:10:14,510 --> 02:10:13,110
I was gonna have in my book and it got

2788
02:10:17,419 --> 02:10:14,520
way too complicated and that kind of

2789
02:10:20,109 --> 02:10:17,429
went away from that but um so I was

2790
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:20,119
going an area where it had a lot of lore

2791
02:10:24,350 --> 02:10:22,770
Arthurian lore and Holy Grail lore

2792
02:10:26,569 --> 02:10:24,360
behind it even though it was in France

2793
02:10:28,399 --> 02:10:26,579
right and there's this one area where

2794
02:10:30,950 --> 02:10:28,409
was called the lake of the fairies and

2795
02:10:32,359 --> 02:10:30,960
the lore behind it was that there was

2796
02:10:33,620 --> 02:10:32,369
you know fairies you know back in the

2797
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:33,630
day and people would disappear in the

2798
02:10:38,089 --> 02:10:35,610
area and all that so that's not a big

2799
02:10:39,379 --> 02:10:38,099
good spot just to go for a hike and take

2800
02:10:40,729 --> 02:10:39,389
a lot of you know cover pictures that I

2801
02:10:42,200 --> 02:10:40,739
could have in my book or whatever I

2802
02:10:45,770 --> 02:10:42,210
never really you know thought I would

2803
02:10:47,299 --> 02:10:45,780
really see anything so for those I don't

2804
02:10:49,160 --> 02:10:47,309
know I was born in France I grew up here

2805
02:10:50,540 --> 02:10:49,170
in Los Angeles but my mom is French and

2806
02:10:54,620 --> 02:10:50,550
she lives in France or she's remarried

2807
02:10:57,680 --> 02:10:54,630
with a fantastic individual named Jerome

2808
02:10:59,779 --> 02:10:57,690
and they were along with us and so we

2809
02:11:01,520 --> 02:10:59,789
want to walk 20 minutes in and this was

2810
02:11:03,470 --> 02:11:01,530
this is you know it's fairly remote

2811
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:03,480
because when come for Brittany wise

2812
02:11:17,540 --> 02:11:14,510
like a fourth structure on the left hand

2813
02:11:19,850 --> 02:11:17,550
side which just old wood you know at

2814
02:11:22,310 --> 02:11:19,860
pros dating hundreds of years and we

2815
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:22,320
tried to stop the area for a break we

2816
02:11:25,580 --> 02:11:24,000
stayed there for about 20 minutes and

2817
02:11:28,299 --> 02:11:25,590
started taking pictures of everything

2818
02:11:30,649 --> 02:11:28,309
which was the habit that I had I had my

2819
02:11:31,970 --> 02:11:30,659
serious that take as many pictures as

2820
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:31,980
possible and hope something you know

2821
02:11:35,029 --> 02:11:33,570
shows up and one of them which has

2822
02:11:37,220 --> 02:11:35,039
worked out pretty well for me to be

2823
02:11:40,279 --> 02:11:37,230
honest so we went through an entire roll

2824
02:11:42,020 --> 02:11:40,289
of film was just 35 pictures in this one

2825
02:11:43,549 --> 02:11:42,030
area we saw actually nothing I know

2826
02:11:45,949 --> 02:11:43,559
there's nobody there because is one way

2827
02:11:49,580 --> 02:11:45,959
in and one way out and

2828
02:11:51,469 --> 02:11:49,590
we were there and I didn't think much of

2829
02:11:53,029 --> 02:11:51,479
it we went on I didn't see anything no

2830
02:11:55,609 --> 02:11:53,039
one saw anything and a month later we

2831
02:11:57,500 --> 02:11:55,619
developed the pictures and in one frame

2832
02:11:59,209 --> 02:11:57,510
1 Frame only even though we had pictures

2833
02:12:01,369 --> 02:11:59,219
multiple pictures of the same area this

2834
02:12:03,049 --> 02:12:01,379
one girl or ghost or whatever you want

2835
02:12:05,290 --> 02:12:03,059
to call it appeared in a picture and it

2836
02:12:09,879 --> 02:12:05,300
was just as clear as a regular person

2837
02:12:13,759 --> 02:12:09,889
yeah I'm looking at the the image here

2838
02:12:16,879 --> 02:12:13,769
how I posted it up on Twitter your

2839
02:12:18,859 --> 02:12:16,889
original tweet now it because I know the

2840
02:12:22,069 --> 02:12:18,869
background of this this image and you've

2841
02:12:25,479 --> 02:12:22,079
just described that day it turns out to

2842
02:12:29,299 --> 02:12:25,489
be a pretty creepy you know

2843
02:12:31,459 --> 02:12:29,309
photograph and especially her pose and

2844
02:12:34,369 --> 02:12:31,469
she's definitely photobombing right

2845
02:12:38,209 --> 02:12:34,379
she's clear as day and she's showing her

2846
02:12:41,439 --> 02:12:38,219
face how far away would she have been

2847
02:12:44,750 --> 02:12:41,449
from you and see this is the thing you

2848
02:12:46,399 --> 02:12:44,760
took the picture in that direction so

2849
02:12:49,699 --> 02:12:46,409
you would have seen her in the frame

2850
02:12:51,169 --> 02:12:49,709
when he took the picture well not only

2851
02:12:53,540 --> 02:12:51,179
dad is nowhere for her to go there's a

2852
02:12:55,969 --> 02:12:53,550
cliff behind her and it's just it's just

2853
02:12:57,649 --> 02:12:55,979
a little stream on one of the sides and

2854
02:12:58,639 --> 02:12:57,659
in the rest of this forest could have

2855
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:58,649
been nowhere for her to go especially

2856
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:00,239
for us being sitting there for 20

2857
02:13:04,819 --> 02:13:02,249
minutes already you know like I said

2858
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:04,829
there's only one path so yeah there's I

2859
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:06,570
mean I can't think of any possible way

2860
02:13:12,859 --> 02:13:09,570
well we would not have seen her so who

2861
02:13:14,899 --> 02:13:12,869
is she what is she honestly had no idea

2862
02:13:17,209 --> 02:13:14,909
whatsoever all I can say is I took a

2863
02:13:18,949 --> 02:13:17,219
picture and there's some curl in it that

2864
02:13:21,020 --> 02:13:18,959
doesn't exist or not supposed to be

2865
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:21,030
there I have absolutely no theory no

2866
02:13:27,049 --> 02:13:24,090
idea you know and the problem is maybe

2867
02:13:28,939 --> 02:13:27,059
if I develop that pictures on the spot

2868
02:13:30,619 --> 02:13:28,949
and you know or I would be used digital

2869
02:13:31,429 --> 02:13:30,629
and kind of picture right away I could

2870
02:13:33,919 --> 02:13:31,439
have done a little more background

2871
02:13:35,719 --> 02:13:33,929
research into the area you know in terms

2872
02:13:39,139 --> 02:13:35,729
of people disappearing or what some of

2873
02:13:40,609 --> 02:13:39,149
the stories are but I had no idea I was

2874
02:13:42,500 --> 02:13:40,619
you know back in Paris by the time I got

2875
02:13:45,319 --> 02:13:42,510
the picture and then back on to Los

2876
02:13:48,369 --> 02:13:45,329
Angeles so I be honest answer is I have

2877
02:13:52,009 --> 02:13:48,379
no idea whatsoever now why haven't we

2878
02:13:53,719 --> 02:13:52,019
gotten the lots of cool footage out

2879
02:13:56,659 --> 02:13:53,729
there I'm not going to dismiss that

2880
02:13:58,700 --> 02:13:56,669
right lots of poltergeists and moving

2881
02:14:02,060 --> 02:13:58,710
objects and we've captured but

2882
02:14:04,670 --> 02:14:02,070
why haven't we gotten the definitive

2883
02:14:07,550 --> 02:14:04,680
piece of ghost footage

2884
02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:07,560
I don't think our cameras are capable of

2885
02:14:13,880 --> 02:14:10,770
capturing whatever part of spectrum they

2886
02:14:17,150 --> 02:14:13,890
appear in I think there is a way around

2887
02:14:19,610 --> 02:14:17,160
that though and so I was discussing this

2888
02:14:22,490 --> 02:14:19,620
with this past weekend with a couple of

2889
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:22,500
fellow researchers Jim Perry some of you

2890
02:14:25,130 --> 02:14:23,760
guys may have heard of him from a hail

2891
02:14:27,770 --> 02:14:25,140
year they've mentioned him a couple

2892
02:14:30,110 --> 02:14:27,780
times and Bryan Singer and I was saying

2893
02:14:32,510 --> 02:14:30,120
that so we have a lot of EVPs right so

2894
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:32,520
the photos are not familiar it's where

2895
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:35,250
you get a voice recording on you know

2896
02:14:38,930 --> 02:14:37,110
anything from video cassette to a

2897
02:14:43,310 --> 02:14:38,940
digital recorder of the voice that

2898
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:43,320
wasn't there so because the voice you

2899
02:14:48,590 --> 02:14:45,360
can't ignite some auditories phenomena

2900
02:14:50,030 --> 02:14:48,600
you can't hear it somehow a lack of

2901
02:14:52,700 --> 02:14:50,040
better or magically appears right on

2902
02:14:54,500 --> 02:14:52,710
your equipment so it so it doesn't come

2903
02:14:55,729 --> 02:14:54,510
from your immediate environment because

2904
02:14:57,920 --> 02:14:55,739
you can't hear it comes from somewhere

2905
02:14:59,000 --> 02:14:57,930
else so that's somewhere else it's

2906
02:15:03,260 --> 02:14:59,010
something tangible right because

2907
02:15:06,910 --> 02:15:03,270
something is producing that noise if you

2908
02:15:09,380 --> 02:15:06,920
can record a voice and a sound from

2909
02:15:10,610 --> 02:15:09,390
whether the afterlife or another

2910
02:15:13,100 --> 02:15:10,620
dimension or wherever right where

2911
02:15:16,580 --> 02:15:13,110
they're coming from you can get a

2912
02:15:18,350 --> 02:15:16,590
picture from that from that afterlife or

2913
02:15:21,380 --> 02:15:18,360
dimension if you can get an auditory

2914
02:15:22,850 --> 02:15:21,390
sound you can get a visual from it and I

2915
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:22,860
think that's the next step in this field

2916
02:15:26,959 --> 02:15:24,239
that we gotta start looking at it how to

2917
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:26,969
get a picture of not a ghost here in our

2918
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:29,360
world how to get pictures in their world

2919
02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:33,050
right right in that dimension and that

2920
02:15:38,450 --> 02:15:36,930
can be done well if that happens then we

2921
02:15:42,490 --> 02:15:38,460
can photograph anything in another

2922
02:15:46,370 --> 02:15:42,500
dimension animals absolutely Bigfoot

2923
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:46,380
UFOs right wooden wooden all those

2924
02:15:50,930 --> 02:15:49,410
dominoes start to fall well it would

2925
02:15:51,950 --> 02:15:50,940
certainly open up you know different

2926
02:15:54,440 --> 02:15:51,960
modalities in terms of how to get

2927
02:15:56,209 --> 02:15:54,450
evidence and how to get visual proof and

2928
02:16:01,910 --> 02:15:56,219
ultimately the most exciting I think is

2929
02:16:03,380 --> 02:16:01,920
like a body is nice right but or to get

2930
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:03,390
people interested first of all I think

2931
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:05,250
you need visual proof nothing beats a

2932
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:10,320
visual are you okay with EVPs yeah yeah

2933
02:16:13,610 --> 02:16:12,000
and I think you know look I

2934
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:13,620
most of them especially the ones you'll

2935
02:16:18,590 --> 02:16:16,320
hear on some TV shows aren't really VP's

2936
02:16:20,330 --> 02:16:18,600
I think because your brain there's just

2937
02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:20,340
a lot of is just noise and your brain

2938
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:22,110
kind of mix up the rest in between how

2939
02:16:26,780 --> 02:16:25,050
your brain doesn't like doesn't like

2940
02:16:27,950 --> 02:16:26,790
entropy and wants to have order and

2941
02:16:29,810 --> 02:16:27,960
everything that you see that you're here

2942
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:29,820
so you know missing pieces and that's

2943
02:16:40,310 --> 02:16:32,130
what I think a lot of EVPs are just your

2944
02:16:42,589 --> 02:16:40,320
brain because you look this says get out

2945
02:16:43,850 --> 02:16:42,599
of here the next person is going to hear

2946
02:16:47,209 --> 02:16:43,860
get out of here that's how you human you

2947
02:16:52,700 --> 02:16:47,219
know brain works but I think this for

2948
02:16:55,400 --> 02:16:52,710
them better I apologize again everybody

2949
02:16:57,950 --> 02:16:55,410
Alex you're you're bouncing in and out I

2950
02:17:00,049 --> 02:16:57,960
haven't had this kind of a phone issue

2951
02:17:05,540 --> 02:17:00,059
in in months and months and months I

2952
02:17:07,759 --> 02:17:05,550
don't know what the problem is yeah yeah

2953
02:17:11,419 --> 02:17:07,769
it's okay alright let's let's just get

2954
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:11,429
through this the there's another part to

2955
02:17:15,740 --> 02:17:13,410
this while we're talking about EVPs

2956
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:15,750
which is you know guys like Steve Huff

2957
02:17:21,950 --> 02:17:20,010
oh who has developed a way to

2958
02:17:25,549 --> 02:17:21,960
communicate with these other dimensions

2959
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:25,559
that seems from what I have heard and

2960
02:17:31,629 --> 02:17:28,880
some of it is pretty convincing that

2961
02:17:37,370 --> 02:17:31,639
there is a way to communicate with

2962
02:17:41,530 --> 02:17:37,380
whatever these entities or or souls or

2963
02:17:44,780 --> 02:17:41,540
whatever or whatever they may be they do

2964
02:17:48,230 --> 02:17:44,790
communicate but I don't think that they

2965
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:48,240
understand where they are right the if

2966
02:17:53,839 --> 02:17:50,160
you know what I mean these these beings

2967
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:53,849
that they seem confused I think that's

2968
02:17:58,759 --> 02:17:56,490
one theory yeah correct I think and I

2969
02:18:00,860 --> 02:17:58,769
know because there's so much in

2970
02:18:03,890 --> 02:18:00,870
translation I gets lost between us and

2971
02:18:05,330 --> 02:18:03,900
whoever they're at you know but like I

2972
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:05,340
said I think there's definitely

2973
02:18:09,379 --> 02:18:07,410
different modalities involved you know

2974
02:18:11,089 --> 02:18:09,389
and so not everything goes into the

2975
02:18:13,160 --> 02:18:11,099
ghost category I think there's other

2976
02:18:16,100 --> 02:18:13,170
things out there or other ways this

2977
02:18:17,720 --> 02:18:16,110
phenomena manifests itself and some of

2978
02:18:22,009 --> 02:18:17,730
it I think it's not even self induced

2979
02:18:23,870 --> 02:18:22,019
but now you make we create we create the

2980
02:18:25,230 --> 02:18:23,880
phenomenon ourselves now you mentioned

2981
02:18:27,629 --> 02:18:25,240
something earlier

2982
02:18:32,580 --> 02:18:27,639
as we do you want to hang out and take

2983
02:18:35,250 --> 02:18:32,590
some phone calls yes sir okay I want to

2984
02:18:37,740 --> 02:18:35,260
do that and I'm gonna open up the phone

2985
02:18:39,719 --> 02:18:37,750
lines with everybody and one of the

2986
02:18:44,040 --> 02:18:39,729
things that I do want to do it's April

2987
02:18:45,660 --> 02:18:44,050
Fool's Day and so I went through a bunch

2988
02:18:47,160 --> 02:18:45,670
of news headlines at the beginning of

2989
02:18:50,610 --> 02:18:47,170
the show and if there was something that

2990
02:18:52,919 --> 02:18:50,620
caught your eye today that you took the

2991
02:18:55,140 --> 02:18:52,929
bait on I want to see if I can take the

2992
02:18:58,440 --> 02:18:55,150
bait so I do want to hear the hoes from

2993
02:19:01,680 --> 02:18:58,450
everybody too as well seven four seven

2994
02:19:06,450 --> 02:19:01,690
two two eight two zero five one and I'll

2995
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:06,460
get everything set up is staying on this

2996
02:19:11,330 --> 02:19:08,800
and then when we come back after the

2997
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:11,340
break we'll get to the phone calls

2998
02:19:21,870 --> 02:19:16,410
staying on this when it comes to ghosts

2999
02:19:25,620 --> 02:19:21,880
Alex the I want to say this in a very

3000
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:25,630
polite way for you what frustrates you

3001
02:19:32,700 --> 02:19:29,050
the most because you are very vocal

3002
02:19:35,060 --> 02:19:32,710
about the way that research is done what

3003
02:19:42,180 --> 02:19:35,070
frustrates you the most when it comes to

3004
02:19:45,030 --> 02:19:42,190
paranormal research today the sense like

3005
02:19:48,419 --> 02:19:45,040
if there are ism of it everything has to

3006
02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:48,429
be kicked off and then there was ghost

3007
02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:49,840
hunters and Ghost Hunters International

3008
02:19:56,840 --> 02:19:53,110
and all of these spin-off shows but when

3009
02:20:00,330 --> 02:19:56,850
that kicked off it was like the pet rock

3010
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:00,340
the the paranormal research groups are

3011
02:20:06,450 --> 02:20:03,040
all over this country now I mean it is

3012
02:20:09,780 --> 02:20:06,460
an amazing phenomenon part of me wants

3013
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:09,790
to say yay team let's go but the other

3014
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:12,160
part of it is there are people out there

3015
02:20:18,090 --> 02:20:15,760
that are into this subject and that's a

3016
02:20:20,340 --> 02:20:18,100
good thing too but there's no standards

3017
02:20:23,160 --> 02:20:20,350
right there's everybody's just going out

3018
02:20:25,320 --> 02:20:23,170
there and and and going into a dark

3019
02:20:28,260 --> 02:20:25,330
house and seeing if something will

3020
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:28,270
happen right it's like it's like you're

3021
02:20:33,150 --> 02:20:30,810
damned if you do damned if you don't

3022
02:20:35,310 --> 02:20:33,160
yeah there's no set of protocols in

3023
02:20:36,990 --> 02:20:35,320
place for what you should be an

3024
02:20:39,060 --> 02:20:37,000
investigation that goes from pretty much

3025
02:20:41,490 --> 02:20:39,070
almost any of the

3026
02:20:43,110 --> 02:20:41,500
to discuss tonight you know I think and

3027
02:20:46,470 --> 02:20:43,120
that's kind of a problem everyone that's

3028
02:20:47,790 --> 02:20:46,480
kind of free willing it or so there's no

3029
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:47,800
and there's not a lot of communications

3030
02:20:57,470 --> 02:20:51,610
between groups either you know so well

3031
02:21:01,610 --> 02:20:57,480
how okay so for you if you were going to

3032
02:21:04,140 --> 02:21:01,620
go and investigate a haunted situation

3033
02:21:05,460 --> 02:21:04,150
well how do you go about it do you do

3034
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:05,470
the exact same things that everybody

3035
02:21:10,890 --> 02:21:07,210
else is doing do you go in and lock the

3036
02:21:13,261 --> 02:21:10,900
doors and and hope for quiet and and

3037
02:21:16,020 --> 02:21:13,271
dumb cameras all night you know how do

3038
02:21:17,460 --> 02:21:16,030
you go about it no I wouldn't first of

3039
02:21:20,610 --> 02:21:17,470
all I wouldn't go to indoor location I

3040
02:21:24,180 --> 02:21:20,620
would focus on a more open outdoor

3041
02:21:26,190 --> 02:21:24,190
location I would go to place like an

3042
02:21:29,400 --> 02:21:26,200
ultra no go although how you're by to

3043
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:29,410
force in Romania because first of all

3044
02:21:31,980 --> 02:21:30,730
would pick a spot like those where you

3045
02:21:34,261 --> 02:21:31,990
have a lot of difference that's a

3046
02:21:35,940 --> 02:21:34,271
phenomena that happens right and cinema

3047
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:35,950
is pretty consistent over time so you

3048
02:21:41,130 --> 02:21:36,970
get a better chance of capturing

3049
02:21:42,030 --> 02:21:41,140
something and I would measure every

3050
02:21:44,100 --> 02:21:42,040
possible thing you could possibly

3051
02:21:47,610 --> 02:21:44,110
measure from you know like to magnetism

3052
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:47,620
to radiation or whatever I would measure

3053
02:21:52,530 --> 02:21:50,890
everything but yeah at some point I take

3054
02:21:53,970 --> 02:21:52,540
a wildlife approach you know like when

3055
02:21:55,470 --> 02:21:53,980
you guys go out and they want to film a

3056
02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:55,480
tiger light they go out in this

3057
02:22:00,900 --> 02:21:57,130
environment and they legend varmint get

3058
02:22:04,261 --> 02:22:00,910
used to them they sit still so I would

3059
02:22:06,650 --> 02:22:04,271
go and hang out no running no running

3060
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:06,660
after the phenomena no you know just

3061
02:22:11,970 --> 02:22:09,760
search equipment measure the environment

3062
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:11,980
but for you personally to experience the

3063
02:22:15,720 --> 02:22:14,170
phenomena I was just hanging out let it

3064
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:15,730
come to you that's environment get used

3065
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:18,250
to you being there well you did you did

3066
02:22:23,610 --> 02:22:20,170
just that up at skinwalker

3067
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:23,620
how many days were you at skinwalker we

3068
02:22:28,050 --> 02:22:26,560
were there for three days three ways all

3069
02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:28,060
the three days of investigation yeah and

3070
02:22:34,020 --> 02:22:30,640
one of those nights was here on fade to

3071
02:22:36,420 --> 02:22:34,030
black which was a pretty cool a Europe

3072
02:22:41,640 --> 02:22:36,430
had skinwalker for three days and what

3073
02:22:44,520 --> 02:22:41,650
did you find up there um that everything

3074
02:22:47,550 --> 02:22:44,530
you've heard is a burrito and more we

3075
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:47,560
not a single person or pretty much I

3076
02:22:50,400 --> 02:22:48,640
don't think that actually single person

3077
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:50,410
we talked to having experienced

3078
02:22:52,740 --> 02:22:52,090
something in that area and if there's a

3079
02:22:55,410 --> 02:22:52,750
skinwalker

3080
02:22:58,110 --> 02:22:55,420
goes on for miles around and again it's

3081
02:23:00,270 --> 02:22:58,120
one of the spaces that it's the whole

3082
02:23:03,000 --> 02:23:00,280
plethora of experiences people have from

3083
02:23:05,400 --> 02:23:03,010
UFOs to ghosts the you know giant

3084
02:23:08,570 --> 02:23:05,410
coyotes or walls it's everything all

3085
02:23:11,370 --> 02:23:08,580
rolled up into one and but it has a real

3086
02:23:13,230 --> 02:23:11,380
kind of trickster mentality to it I

3087
02:23:14,790 --> 02:23:13,240
think you know it it reminded me a lot

3088
02:23:17,310 --> 02:23:14,800
of life when John keel went to Point

3089
02:23:18,480 --> 02:23:17,320
Pleasant well you'd get like you know he

3090
02:23:20,340 --> 02:23:18,490
was getting these phone calls right and

3091
02:23:23,370 --> 02:23:20,350
it is metallic noises well we got some

3092
02:23:26,970 --> 02:23:23,380
of that ourselves so in a very Killian

3093
02:23:30,480 --> 02:23:26,980
fashion it was messing with us and I

3094
02:23:31,830 --> 02:23:30,490
think that's a very different I think

3095
02:23:34,500 --> 02:23:31,840
it's a different phenomenon than just

3096
02:23:37,050 --> 02:23:34,510
your standard you know us go alien model

3097
02:23:38,730 --> 02:23:37,060
or your ghost you know poltergeist

3098
02:23:40,290 --> 02:23:38,740
whether current normal model or even you

3099
02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:40,300
know you do Bigfoot for some of the

3100
02:23:43,320 --> 02:23:41,650
creatures that people report on the

3101
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:43,330
ranch we're doing something entirely

3102
02:23:49,790 --> 02:23:44,250
different

3103
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:49,800
and what what what did you can you share

3104
02:23:55,530 --> 02:23:52,960
quickly before the break what was the

3105
02:23:57,480 --> 02:23:55,540
one thing that did you see something

3106
02:24:00,180 --> 02:23:57,490
specifically up at skinwalker

3107
02:24:02,660 --> 02:24:00,190
I really felt personality so one thing

3108
02:24:07,590 --> 02:24:02,670
it was we were so we felt it overlooked

3109
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:07,600
spot Nova looks the ranch and at some

3110
02:24:10,440 --> 02:24:09,280
point this guards there they're there

3111
02:24:12,480 --> 02:24:10,450
all night but they keep all the lights

3112
02:24:13,770 --> 02:24:12,490
out they don't turn your lights on you

3113
02:24:16,410 --> 02:24:13,780
can see flashlights at once in a while

3114
02:24:17,850 --> 02:24:16,420
but that's it and at one point we saw we

3115
02:24:20,280 --> 02:24:17,860
always thought was this life at a mess

3116
02:24:21,660 --> 02:24:20,290
on the ground it was pretty big and it

3117
02:24:24,060 --> 02:24:21,670
shot out it was about the size of a tree

3118
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:24,070
trunk it shot up it's on the tree and

3119
02:24:28,980 --> 02:24:26,170
took off and kind of disappear when you

3120
02:24:30,450 --> 02:24:28,990
got kind of about the top branches so

3121
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:30,460
from a visual standpoint I saw that we

3122
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:34,570
really saw and what color was it it was

3123
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:36,880
kind of color of I just kind of get dark

3124
02:24:42,360 --> 02:24:39,130
yellow type of thing I'll take Steve saw

3125
02:24:45,630 --> 02:24:42,370
it and what do you think it was that's

3126
02:24:47,700 --> 02:24:45,640
you didn't tell me this why am I getting

3127
02:24:50,520 --> 02:24:47,710
else knows why am I getting this news

3128
02:24:52,680 --> 02:24:50,530
live on the air yeah I'm a best friend

3129
02:24:57,900 --> 02:24:52,690
well after we called it was after we

3130
02:24:59,490 --> 02:24:57,910
were on the phone with you so yeah so I

3131
02:25:00,870 --> 02:24:59,500
couldn't have told you then yeah I love

3132
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:00,880
that because anything goes that big a

3133
02:25:05,550 --> 02:25:02,410
deal it's just it's one light that we

3134
02:25:06,630 --> 02:25:05,560
saw I'm sure is a weird 100% I know it's

3135
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:06,640
not a flashlight that's too

3136
02:25:11,700 --> 02:25:09,210
big and solid and went up it was odd but

3137
02:25:13,139 --> 02:25:11,710
it to me again goes back to the evidence

3138
02:25:14,490 --> 02:25:13,149
not sufficient evidence from you have

3139
02:25:15,899 --> 02:25:14,500
something anomalous it's you know

3140
02:25:19,979 --> 02:25:15,909
because it's just one thing that we felt

3141
02:25:23,700 --> 02:25:19,989
one time Argonaut man our guest tonight

3142
02:25:25,530 --> 02:25:23,710
is Alex Mastretta it is now April Fool's

3143
02:25:27,870 --> 02:25:25,540
Day we're gonna take a break right here

3144
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:27,880
and when we come back after the break

3145
02:25:33,450 --> 02:25:29,850
we're gonna open up the phone lines

3146
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:33,460
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3147
02:25:39,570 --> 02:25:37,090
five one it's April Fool's Day did you

3148
02:25:44,099 --> 02:25:39,580
get did you get taken by a story today

3149
02:25:46,229 --> 02:25:44,109
like I did about the aurora aircraft

3150
02:25:47,820 --> 02:25:46,239
being revealed today by the DoD

3151
02:25:50,969 --> 02:25:47,830
I took that one hook line and sinker

3152
02:25:53,370 --> 02:25:50,979
what did you get taken by today April

3153
02:25:55,800 --> 02:25:53,380
Fool's we'll take your phone calls next

3154
02:25:58,349 --> 02:25:55,810
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3155
02:25:58,600 --> 02:25:58,359
five one we'll be right back stay with

3156
02:26:15,490 --> 02:25:58,610
us

3157
02:26:16,150 --> 02:26:15,500
and you are listening to my boy Jimmy

3158
02:26:24,730 --> 02:26:16,160
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3159
02:26:35,880 --> 02:26:24,740
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all right welcome back fade to black I

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was goofing around sorry about that

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alright I'm opening up the phone line

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02:30:52,390 --> 02:30:48,680
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3244
02:30:55,170 --> 02:30:52,400
five one it's April Fool's Day did you

3245
02:30:59,290 --> 02:30:55,180
get taken by a story today like I did

3246
02:31:00,610 --> 02:30:59,300
with the Aurora hey Alex did you uh did

3247
02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:00,620
you get taken by that

3248
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:04,960
did you see the the press release on the

3249
02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:11,090
I think it's the Rs 85 aircraft I know I

3250
02:31:15,460 --> 02:31:12,890
did that probably could have gotten me

3251
02:31:17,790 --> 02:31:15,470
for a second yeah yeah it got me it was

3252
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:17,800
well-written yeah it was well-written

3253
02:31:23,950 --> 02:31:21,130
IIIi I went and I started doing research

3254
02:31:25,690 --> 02:31:23,960
right it was released by the DoD they're

3255
02:31:29,140 --> 02:31:25,700
gonna put the plane on display at

3256
02:31:32,950 --> 02:31:29,150
wright-patterson and he in the Air Force

3257
02:31:34,600 --> 02:31:32,960
Museum and I said wow wow this is pretty

3258
02:31:36,460 --> 02:31:34,610
cool waiting we're waiting for that one

3259
02:31:40,690 --> 02:31:36,470
right for that too that actual story so

3260
02:31:43,330 --> 02:31:40,700
yeah Mach 6 right it had been flying I

3261
02:31:46,690 --> 02:31:43,340
think 1993 to 2018 they had five

3262
02:31:48,340 --> 02:31:46,700
airframes that were built and using him

3263
02:31:51,070 --> 02:31:48,350
for reconnaissance that they were manned

3264
02:31:55,300 --> 02:31:51,080
and and and if everything was their

3265
02:31:57,790 --> 02:31:55,310
names and quotes and and as I it was so

3266
02:31:58,920 --> 02:31:57,800
funny for me as I started to have my

3267
02:32:03,670 --> 02:31:58,930
wait a minute

3268
02:32:06,250 --> 02:32:03,680
it's April Fool's Day ah wait wait wait

3269
02:32:12,210 --> 02:32:06,260
wait you know the funny part about all

3270
02:32:15,490 --> 02:32:12,220
of that for me was I I still held on

3271
02:32:18,340 --> 02:32:15,500
right I still I do I do I was like as a

3272
02:32:22,410 --> 02:32:18,350
April and I just like know maybe maybe

3273
02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:22,420
this is real and so I chose obviously

3274
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:24,890
not to report the story then I was

3275
02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:28,970
leaning on it was so well written that

3276
02:32:32,350 --> 02:32:30,890
maybe somebody would buy into it you

3277
02:32:34,690 --> 02:32:32,360
know and I didn't I didn't want that

3278
02:32:36,310 --> 02:32:34,700
either you know so yeah there you go

3279
02:32:39,210 --> 02:32:36,320
alright I'm opening up the phone line

3280
02:32:42,190 --> 02:32:39,220
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3281
02:32:45,880 --> 02:32:42,200
five one did you get taken by an April

3282
02:32:49,240 --> 02:32:45,890
Fool's story today I've got a couple

3283
02:32:51,701 --> 02:32:49,250
cases of fade to black coffee mugs if

3284
02:32:55,480 --> 02:32:51,711
you got taken by April

3285
02:32:58,390 --> 02:32:55,490
story today let's see let's see what you

3286
02:33:00,611 --> 02:32:58,400
got and maybe you'll get a fade to black

3287
02:33:03,930 --> 02:33:00,621
coffee mug let's go to the phones hi

3288
02:33:09,551 --> 02:33:03,940
you're live on fader black who's calling

3289
02:33:13,571 --> 02:33:09,561
give me that you know it's not Julie I

3290
02:33:19,871 --> 02:33:13,581
got taken big time today on what tom

3291
02:33:22,991 --> 02:33:19,881
brady retiring oh I thought he was

3292
02:33:25,480 --> 02:33:23,001
retiring you mean he's not no man he's

3293
02:33:26,051 --> 02:33:25,490
not hook line and sinker all the way

3294
02:33:30,151 --> 02:33:26,061
down

3295
02:33:32,921 --> 02:33:30,161
really who made the announcement I

3296
02:33:35,951 --> 02:33:32,931
thought on Fox News and I was like oh

3297
02:33:37,720 --> 02:33:35,961
Tom big is he tying you hell yes and

3298
02:33:39,491 --> 02:33:37,730
then I looked at it and it was April

3299
02:33:44,730 --> 02:33:39,501
Fool's I'm like fern about done

3300
02:33:49,690 --> 02:33:44,740
ah man and I guess the Chicago Bears

3301
02:33:52,571 --> 02:33:49,700
released new jerseys that the new design

3302
02:33:55,511 --> 02:33:52,581
for their team jerseys and their

3303
02:33:58,001 --> 02:33:55,521
uniforms and that wasn't too well

3304
02:34:01,751 --> 02:33:58,011
received either domos don't most people

3305
02:34:05,020 --> 02:34:01,761
expect on April Fool's Day that if a

3306
02:34:08,980 --> 02:34:05,030
story you know what I mean but some will

3307
02:34:13,020 --> 02:34:08,990
just buy into it I did yeah yeah you're

3308
02:34:16,451 --> 02:34:13,030
correct so what's on your mind

3309
02:34:19,810 --> 02:34:16,461
we know I've gone over this story with

3310
02:34:22,241 --> 02:34:19,820
Alex several times and we've actually

3311
02:34:24,970 --> 02:34:22,251
went on a radio station my father and my

3312
02:34:26,861 --> 02:34:24,980
brother you go over what we had seen in

3313
02:34:30,791 --> 02:34:26,871
in northern Michigan and they're here on

3314
02:34:33,371 --> 02:34:30,801
Forrest and man I wouldn't know how to

3315
02:34:35,140 --> 02:34:33,381
explain what we had seen going over and

3316
02:34:37,901 --> 02:34:35,150
people sometimes just question it and

3317
02:34:40,480 --> 02:34:37,911
don't believe it but what we had seen

3318
02:34:42,520 --> 02:34:40,490
this thing stepped out of the road and

3319
02:34:44,621 --> 02:34:42,530
walked directly towards the vehicle was

3320
02:34:49,121 --> 02:34:44,631
I would say at least eight to nine feet

3321
02:34:51,940 --> 02:34:49,131
tall in two red locks human kind of like

3322
02:34:56,041 --> 02:34:51,950
face and when I first recognized it I

3323
02:34:58,930 --> 02:34:56,051
thought it was a someone on stilts and

3324
02:35:01,421 --> 02:34:58,940
it terrified I mean everybody in the car

3325
02:35:03,581 --> 02:35:01,431
six of us creamed out loud you know we

3326
02:35:05,320 --> 02:35:03,591
saw it and we hauled ass down this

3327
02:35:07,960 --> 02:35:05,330
timber road which is the dirt road

3328
02:35:10,990 --> 02:35:07,970
and I won't forget it as long as I live

3329
02:35:12,970 --> 02:35:11,000
and anybody that can tell me that

3330
02:35:15,850 --> 02:35:12,980
Bigfoot doesn't exist I will tell you a

3331
02:35:23,170 --> 02:35:15,860
different story Alex you've discussed

3332
02:35:25,150 --> 02:35:23,180
say hi to Alex Scott Alex man so what do

3333
02:35:27,880 --> 02:35:25,160
you what do you think about Scott and

3334
02:35:29,770 --> 02:35:27,890
his family and what they witnessed well

3335
02:35:32,380 --> 02:35:29,780
I was at your house actually when Scott

3336
02:35:35,590 --> 02:35:32,390
first told me the story it was such a

3337
02:35:37,030 --> 02:35:35,600
good story and it's so believable it

3338
02:35:39,011 --> 02:35:37,040
made me stop eating those like those

3339
02:35:45,340 --> 02:35:39,021
pasta with our chicken think you're a

3340
02:35:47,730 --> 02:35:45,350
reader makes our tummies bigfoots you

3341
02:35:51,160 --> 02:35:47,740
know you stop eating Elizabeth and it's

3342
02:35:53,350 --> 02:35:51,170
because it's enough close story and you

3343
02:35:57,730 --> 02:35:53,360
know multiple witnesses it's a nice you

3344
02:35:58,930 --> 02:35:57,740
know he's like a same dude and I believe

3345
02:36:01,990 --> 02:35:58,940
it I think it's a really I think it's a

3346
02:36:03,820 --> 02:36:02,000
legitimate counter yeah I do remember I

3347
02:36:05,950 --> 02:36:03,830
forgot about that evening

3348
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:05,960
that's absolutely right we were eating

3349
02:36:18,280 --> 02:36:16,450
chicken whoo yeah people are still

3350
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:18,290
talking about the buffalo chicken

3351
02:36:30,011 --> 02:36:21,680
stuffed stuffed shells that's what that

3352
02:36:33,490 --> 02:36:30,021
was maybe evening to I mean that the

3353
02:36:36,370 --> 02:36:33,500
food was actually unreal my wife can't

3354
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:36,380
stop talking about it and I was hungover

3355
02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:38,210
like two days straight I could barely

3356
02:36:46,200 --> 02:36:40,250
get out of bed I was so hungover well

3357
02:36:48,520 --> 02:36:46,210
yeah and you know so going back to what

3358
02:36:52,230 --> 02:36:48,530
what Alex was talking about earlier

3359
02:36:55,690 --> 02:36:52,240
Scott yeah it's one thing to have

3360
02:36:58,630 --> 02:36:55,700
because it's just a story right it's

3361
02:37:02,801 --> 02:36:58,640
just a story we don't have the evidence

3362
02:37:04,810 --> 02:37:02,811
I have seen stuff in the sky I have seen

3363
02:37:07,960 --> 02:37:04,820
I you know I've seen all of the stuff

3364
02:37:10,390 --> 02:37:07,970
but it's just a story even though you've

3365
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:10,400
got cooperating witnesses standing to

3366
02:37:14,710 --> 02:37:13,130
your left and to your right to back up

3367
02:37:17,950 --> 02:37:14,720
and they've seen the same thing but it's

3368
02:37:19,530 --> 02:37:17,960
just a story isn't it right that's

3369
02:37:22,660 --> 02:37:19,540
correct

3370
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:22,670
either my daddy didn't rewrite now and

3371
02:37:27,219 --> 02:37:25,130
he's from Indianapolis and he goes man

3372
02:37:29,170 --> 02:37:27,229
if we just had cell phones I wanted to

3373
02:37:31,540 --> 02:37:29,180
go back there are you kidding me

3374
02:37:33,429 --> 02:37:31,550
I mean do not realize what we witnessed

3375
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:33,439
and how scared all of us and terrified

3376
02:37:38,859 --> 02:37:35,359
what we were right I just wanted to get

3377
02:37:40,359 --> 02:37:38,869
out of that area it was even if we did

3378
02:37:42,370 --> 02:37:40,369
have cell phones I'm not sure if I

3379
02:37:44,679 --> 02:37:42,380
wanted to turn around and go back to

3380
02:37:46,960 --> 02:37:44,689
what I team I mean right took this a

3381
02:37:50,439 --> 02:37:46,970
little well here the strange things

3382
02:37:53,320 --> 02:37:50,449
because the very next day that we

3383
02:37:57,820 --> 02:37:53,330
actually got to our destination which is

3384
02:38:00,670 --> 02:37:57,830
kind of by like Sheboygan at Gaylord

3385
02:38:01,240 --> 02:38:00,680
City up that way we started hunting for

3386
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:01,250
mushrooms

3387
02:38:06,760 --> 02:38:03,920
we ran into some weird stuff what we saw

3388
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:06,770
the skeletons like skulls and stuff that

3389
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:09,920
did not look like dogs you can stop but

3390
02:38:14,620 --> 02:38:12,409
we saw a pile of stuff in the woods I

3391
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:14,630
mean there was no string stuff going on

3392
02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:17,090
that Danny and I'll tell you I won't go

3393
02:38:21,010 --> 02:38:19,010
in the woods again without being fully

3394
02:38:24,790 --> 02:38:21,020
packed right right right

3395
02:38:27,070 --> 02:38:24,800
well Scott here here's a bigger point

3396
02:38:29,290 --> 02:38:27,080
here and this I think in this dress and

3397
02:38:31,899 --> 02:38:29,300
this turns into you know UFO and even

3398
02:38:34,420 --> 02:38:31,909
paranormal phenomena where so this is a

3399
02:38:36,099 --> 02:38:34,430
great story right so I'm using your Ivan

3400
02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:36,109
vet interview you know hundreds of

3401
02:38:38,200 --> 02:38:37,130
people throughout the years for

3402
02:38:39,700 --> 02:38:38,210
different phenomena and I get a pretty

3403
02:38:42,540 --> 02:38:39,710
good sense of what's a true story what's

3404
02:38:44,889 --> 02:38:42,550
not what considered evidence what's not

3405
02:38:47,410 --> 02:38:44,899
so often in this field we consider his

3406
02:38:49,149 --> 02:38:47,420
story as an endpoint right it's evidence

3407
02:38:51,939 --> 02:38:49,159
why we put it in the evidence category

3408
02:38:55,630 --> 02:38:51,949
but what it should be is the beginning

3409
02:38:57,219 --> 02:38:55,640
point of it your next inquiry right use

3410
02:38:58,809 --> 02:38:57,229
it at scale like a working hypothesis

3411
02:39:00,969 --> 02:38:58,819
instead of as a theory and it's a

3412
02:39:02,469 --> 02:39:00,979
difference yeah and I think in you know

3413
02:39:04,870 --> 02:39:02,479
goes back lore talking about earlier and

3414
02:39:06,429 --> 02:39:04,880
that's where we really should start

3415
02:39:09,670 --> 02:39:06,439
switching gears and then you know in all

3416
02:39:14,170 --> 02:39:09,680
these fields well and and I appreciated

3417
02:39:17,320 --> 02:39:14,180
your honesty earlier Alex which was you

3418
02:39:20,200 --> 02:39:17,330
contradicting yourself in that right you

3419
02:39:22,030 --> 02:39:20,210
go to you shouldn't go to where all the

3420
02:39:24,340 --> 02:39:22,040
sightings are but maybe you should go to

3421
02:39:26,979 --> 02:39:24,350
where all the sightings are that's and

3422
02:39:29,859 --> 02:39:26,989
it sounded like you wanted to do both

3423
02:39:31,359 --> 02:39:29,869
but you don't know what to suggest but

3424
02:39:32,889 --> 02:39:31,369
you even said that you are contradicting

3425
02:39:36,460 --> 02:39:32,899
yourself because

3426
02:39:40,010 --> 02:39:36,470
really we don't know what to do do we

3427
02:39:41,780 --> 02:39:40,020
well I think we do well I think I do I

3428
02:39:44,479 --> 02:39:41,790
mean I do I mean I could be wrong

3429
02:39:46,309 --> 02:39:44,489
obviously but there's also what you

3430
02:39:48,979 --> 02:39:46,319
would do if you had limited time and

3431
02:39:52,519 --> 02:39:48,989
money and equipment available versus

3432
02:39:55,340 --> 02:39:52,529
what you do within what you have you

3433
02:39:56,660 --> 02:39:55,350
know available to you so yeah that's the

3434
02:39:59,660 --> 02:39:56,670
big difference you know

3435
02:40:01,160 --> 02:39:59,670
let's go man we got it yeah I was gonna

3436
02:40:02,899 --> 02:40:01,170
say let's go back to the phones go back

3437
02:40:09,500 --> 02:40:02,909
to the phones hi you're live on paid to

3438
02:40:13,460 --> 02:40:09,510
black who's calling hi Marilyn from New

3439
02:40:17,510 --> 02:40:13,470
Jersey how are you hi Madeline

3440
02:40:20,269 --> 02:40:17,520
say hi to Alex hi hi Mel

3441
02:40:22,610 --> 02:40:20,279
it's this is my second time calling my

3442
02:40:25,849 --> 02:40:22,620
boyfriend and I love your show thank you

3443
02:40:29,240 --> 02:40:25,859
I did get taken today I'm in a migraine

3444
02:40:31,790 --> 02:40:29,250
group and they had a message that the my

3445
02:40:34,040 --> 02:40:31,800
green group was gonna disband I was like

3446
02:40:38,210 --> 02:40:34,050
oh my god what are we gonna do there

3447
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:38,220
must be a way to stop this and I really

3448
02:40:43,010 --> 02:40:40,010
really believed it and then I saw people

3449
02:40:45,590 --> 02:40:43,020
saying always say for fools and I think

3450
02:40:47,990 --> 02:40:45,600
oh man but I really really believe it

3451
02:40:54,080 --> 02:40:48,000
and I was like what do we do well who we

3452
02:40:56,510 --> 02:40:54,090
then talk to about our migraines of all

3453
02:40:59,330 --> 02:40:56,520
things right it's your migraine group

3454
02:41:02,780 --> 02:40:59,340
that was the last thing on April Fool's

3455
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:02,790
Day right but you still got taken why I

3456
02:41:07,519 --> 02:41:05,130
did I truly truly believed it and if I

3457
02:41:10,460 --> 02:41:07,529
didn't see people post saying oh it's an

3458
02:41:17,950 --> 02:41:10,470
April Fool's I would have kept using it

3459
02:41:26,450 --> 02:41:22,820
Marilyn why is it you know on March 31st

3460
02:41:29,120 --> 02:41:26,460
that the next day is April Fool's right

3461
02:41:31,460 --> 02:41:29,130
you know this going into this morning

3462
02:41:35,149 --> 02:41:31,470
and so does the rest of the country

3463
02:41:39,729 --> 02:41:35,159
right but here we go and I was watching

3464
02:41:42,229 --> 02:41:39,739
so many posts today on different obvious

3465
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:42,239
fake stuff I was actually kind of

3466
02:41:45,170 --> 02:41:43,530
laughing and

3467
02:41:46,820 --> 02:41:45,180
and I'm watching people's reaction

3468
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:46,830
you've got to be kidding me you're

3469
02:41:50,660 --> 02:41:49,050
joking right and I did that I did the

3470
02:41:53,690 --> 02:41:50,670
news stories at the beginning of this

3471
02:41:55,790 --> 02:41:53,700
show today you know mixed in with real

3472
02:41:58,370 --> 02:41:55,800
stories and I'm watching people's

3473
02:42:01,490 --> 02:41:58,380
reaction on Twitter to what I was - you

3474
02:42:03,800 --> 02:42:01,500
know what it's like wait don't you know

3475
02:42:07,610 --> 02:42:03,810
it's April Fool's and well even this

3476
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:07,620
audience gets taken well I was trying to

3477
02:42:11,300 --> 02:42:09,210
look for the obvious but this was

3478
02:42:13,100 --> 02:42:11,310
serious I like this so my great groups

3479
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:13,110
how did they do this so it just didn't

3480
02:42:18,260 --> 02:42:15,290
faze me that they would joke about it

3481
02:42:21,890 --> 02:42:18,270
you were listening to and I want you to

3482
02:42:24,830 --> 02:42:21,900
email Rita after you hang up and give us

3483
02:42:29,450 --> 02:42:24,840
your address and we'll get you a fade to

3484
02:42:32,350 --> 02:42:29,460
black mug yeah absolutely

3485
02:42:35,390 --> 02:42:32,360
our pleasure but when you listen to Alex

3486
02:42:36,740 --> 02:42:35,400
today talk about the issues within our

3487
02:42:40,310 --> 02:42:36,750
community

3488
02:42:44,360 --> 02:42:40,320
I do you feel the same thing that alex

3489
02:42:47,570 --> 02:42:44,370
is laying out here community with

3490
02:42:51,800 --> 02:42:47,580
non-believers well with with the way

3491
02:42:54,920 --> 02:42:51,810
research is done with and different

3492
02:42:57,320 --> 02:42:54,930
researchers and celebrities that are out

3493
02:43:00,320 --> 02:42:57,330
there it doesn't matter if it's UFOs or

3494
02:43:02,410 --> 02:43:00,330
if it's Bigfoot or the paranormal like

3495
02:43:05,780 --> 02:43:02,420
we didn't even go that far into

3496
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:05,790
cryptozoology or the Nazca mummies or

3497
02:43:10,820 --> 02:43:08,610
the Roswell mummy of a few years ago

3498
02:43:15,890 --> 02:43:10,830
remember that one Alex right

3499
02:43:17,060 --> 02:43:15,900
unfortunately yes yeah I was shocked by

3500
02:43:23,780 --> 02:43:17,070
some of the things

3501
02:43:26,420 --> 02:43:23,790
Alex was saying but it's just you know

3502
02:43:28,040 --> 02:43:26,430
we it's a thing they're out there and I

3503
02:43:30,080 --> 02:43:28,050
don't care if you're a celebrity or what

3504
02:43:31,910 --> 02:43:30,090
it's how everybody interprets it

3505
02:43:35,750 --> 02:43:31,920
everybody interprets things differently

3506
02:43:41,390 --> 02:43:35,760
and I've never witnessed anything I wish

3507
02:43:44,330 --> 02:43:41,400
I have but it's just shock oh you know I

3508
02:43:46,780 --> 02:43:44,340
just yeah you're likely with some of the

3509
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:46,790
things that he said yeah you're

3510
02:43:51,740 --> 02:43:49,200
absolutely right that's the beautiful

3511
02:43:54,020 --> 02:43:51,750
thing about freedom of speech in this

3512
02:43:56,030 --> 02:43:54,030
country too as well Madeleine don't

3513
02:43:56,479 --> 02:43:56,040
forget to email Rita you've got our

3514
02:43:59,029 --> 02:43:56,489
email

3515
02:44:00,679 --> 02:43:59,039
Landrus Rita Jimmy Church radio calm and

3516
02:44:03,319 --> 02:44:00,689
we'll get that mug straight out to you

3517
02:44:05,239 --> 02:44:03,329
oh great thank you so much Jimmy good

3518
02:44:07,819 --> 02:44:05,249
night Jimmy god bless you god bless you

3519
02:44:09,829 --> 02:44:07,829
too Alex thank you so much evening thank

3520
02:44:12,229 --> 02:44:09,839
you you too Madeline thank you so much

3521
02:44:13,159 --> 02:44:12,239
and you know you know what's great about

3522
02:44:17,409 --> 02:44:13,169
that phone call

3523
02:44:21,199 --> 02:44:17,419
Alex is she said something that was key

3524
02:44:26,239 --> 02:44:21,209
she's never witnessed anything but she

3525
02:44:29,380 --> 02:44:26,249
listens to this show right I love that

3526
02:44:32,269 --> 02:44:29,390
aspect of it you don't have to be

3527
02:44:35,569 --> 02:44:32,279
somebody that has seen or witnessed or

3528
02:44:37,939 --> 02:44:35,579
is a huge flag waver these questions

3529
02:44:40,849 --> 02:44:37,949
rest out there in this community and

3530
02:44:47,179 --> 02:44:40,859
people are trying to find out what is

3531
02:44:49,489 --> 02:44:47,189
going on and that is amazing no we lost

3532
02:44:52,519 --> 02:44:49,499
Alex so while I'm waiting for Alex to

3533
02:44:53,719 --> 02:44:52,529
find another spot in his is about I'm

3534
02:44:57,409 --> 02:44:53,729
gonna go back to the phones hi you're

3535
02:44:58,999 --> 02:44:57,419
live on fade to black who's calling hey

3536
02:45:02,539 --> 02:44:59,009
give me the thing yes

3537
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:02,549
yeah I think it's you you tell me hey

3538
02:45:07,369 --> 02:45:05,520
yeah it's me hey I don't know if I got

3539
02:45:09,109 --> 02:45:07,379
taken or not but uh I was looking at

3540
02:45:10,729 --> 02:45:09,119
your website today in it on my cell

3541
02:45:12,529 --> 02:45:10,739
phone all the photos were upside down

3542
02:45:14,989 --> 02:45:12,539
you guys do that on purpose

3543
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:14,999
oh are you kidding me they were upside

3544
02:45:24,619 --> 02:45:21,600
down yeah yeah it sounds like the feds

3545
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:24,629
is they're trying to see the man

3546
02:45:27,769 --> 02:45:25,439
strength

3547
02:45:32,179 --> 02:45:27,779
the man's trying to shut us down man

3548
02:45:33,800 --> 02:45:32,189
what's your name my name's Randy I'm

3549
02:45:37,249 --> 02:45:33,810
from Buffalo New York I called a couple

3550
02:45:39,739 --> 02:45:37,259
weeks ago Oh Randy that's right Randy

3551
02:45:42,679 --> 02:45:39,749
you know I don't remember that but

3552
02:45:47,929 --> 02:45:42,689
welcome no no yeah I'm just messing with

3553
02:45:51,949 --> 02:45:47,939
you Randy thank you like I have a ghost

3554
02:45:55,099 --> 02:45:51,959
story go say hi dad he's listening he's

3555
02:45:57,050 --> 02:45:55,109
right yeah when hey hey I hope you're

3556
02:45:58,069 --> 02:45:57,060
back I hope you can hear me uh yeah when

3557
02:46:00,340 --> 02:45:58,079
we were younger I have a younger

3558
02:46:02,569 --> 02:46:00,350
brothers a couple years younger than me

3559
02:46:03,859 --> 02:46:02,579
we were growing up I was always scared

3560
02:46:06,139 --> 02:46:03,869
of the dark until I got a little older

3561
02:46:08,380 --> 02:46:06,149
he always likes the dark but as we got

3562
02:46:11,399 --> 02:46:08,390
older the roles switched

3563
02:46:14,380 --> 02:46:11,409
well he was about 12 or 13 years old my

3564
02:46:18,550 --> 02:46:14,390
parents they left him home alone for a

3565
02:46:20,139 --> 02:46:18,560
couple hours so when they came back all

3566
02:46:22,090 --> 02:46:20,149
the lights in the house were on you know

3567
02:46:23,500 --> 02:46:22,100
we'll back out and they were like what

3568
02:46:25,929 --> 02:46:23,510
you know what's going on they came in

3569
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:25,939
the house he wasn't there sooner I

3570
02:46:28,929 --> 02:46:27,439
worried that so they went next door my

3571
02:46:30,969 --> 02:46:28,939
grandmother lives next door growing up

3572
02:46:32,530 --> 02:46:30,979
they went there and he was there he

3573
02:46:35,139 --> 02:46:32,540
didn't have no shoes on he ran out of

3574
02:46:37,300 --> 02:46:35,149
the house and his bare feet so they're

3575
02:46:39,280 --> 02:46:37,310
like well what happened he said all I

3576
02:46:41,229 --> 02:46:39,290
was in the house and the kitchen light

3577
02:46:43,240 --> 02:46:41,239
went off and I got scared something

3578
02:46:44,590 --> 02:46:43,250
scared me I ran over here so they were

3579
02:46:46,149 --> 02:46:44,600
laughing you know there's nothing wrong

3580
02:46:48,370 --> 02:46:46,159
the kitchen was on we went in the house

3581
02:46:50,050 --> 02:46:48,380
all the lights were on you know you

3582
02:46:53,219 --> 02:46:50,060
gotta you know make it fun of them a

3583
02:46:56,320 --> 02:46:53,229
little bit so the next day at dinner

3584
02:46:58,269 --> 02:46:56,330
we're all sitting at the table and in my

3585
02:46:59,559 --> 02:46:58,279
kitchen my parents kitchen there's three

3586
02:47:01,510 --> 02:46:59,569
doors one to the Attic

3587
02:47:03,280 --> 02:47:01,520
once the basement and once my parents

3588
02:47:05,559 --> 02:47:03,290
bedroom mm-hmm we're all sitting at the

3589
02:47:08,170 --> 02:47:05,569
table in the kitchen and the middle door

3590
02:47:10,389 --> 02:47:08,180
to the basement was open it was like a

3591
02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:10,399
hot day and the cool air coming from the

3592
02:47:14,200 --> 02:47:11,840
basement we had the door open this is

3593
02:47:15,429 --> 02:47:14,210
before we had a sphere and so we're all

3594
02:47:17,920 --> 02:47:15,439
sitting around the kitchen table having

3595
02:47:19,630 --> 02:47:17,930
dinner bringing up the stories from

3596
02:47:21,580 --> 02:47:19,640
yesterday and we're kind of like

3597
02:47:23,080 --> 02:47:21,590
laughing about it and joking about it

3598
02:47:26,469 --> 02:47:23,090
and making fun of him for demas scare of

3599
02:47:28,420 --> 02:47:26,479
the dark so right as he's getting

3600
02:47:29,469 --> 02:47:28,430
frustrated East he kind of shout out

3601
02:47:32,439 --> 02:47:29,479
he's like there's no such thing as

3602
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:32,449
ghosts well as soon as he said that that

3603
02:47:39,399 --> 02:47:36,080
basement door slammed shut that's what

3604
02:47:41,139 --> 02:47:39,409
I'm pad soon as that basement as soon as

3605
02:47:42,149 --> 02:47:41,149
that basement door slams shut the phone

3606
02:47:44,380 --> 02:47:42,159
rang

3607
02:47:46,870 --> 02:47:44,390
so I father stood next to the phone

3608
02:47:50,110 --> 02:47:46,880
picked up the phone hello that's my

3609
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:50,120
grandmother all of a sudden his face got

3610
02:47:54,219 --> 02:47:52,370
white he didn't want to tell us you know

3611
02:47:56,139 --> 02:47:54,229
but we knew we're like what you know

3612
02:47:58,960 --> 02:47:56,149
what what's wrong he said your

3613
02:48:00,309 --> 02:47:58,970
grandmother just called she said the the

3614
02:48:06,310 --> 02:48:00,319
old lady that lived in the house before

3615
02:48:13,520 --> 02:48:10,160
you gotta love that yeah yeah that's a

3616
02:48:18,310 --> 02:48:13,530
great story now see Alex when you hear

3617
02:48:21,230 --> 02:48:18,320
when you hear that it's it's just like I

3618
02:48:23,030 --> 02:48:21,240
get it right when you hear a story like

3619
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:23,040
that we hear it over and over again

3620
02:48:29,240 --> 02:48:26,640
oh that's evidence to me I mean what

3621
02:48:34,820 --> 02:48:29,250
what where do we go when it comes to

3622
02:48:36,889 --> 02:48:34,830
ghosts yeah look I hear I've heard you

3623
02:48:38,360 --> 02:48:36,899
know plethora stories I got a night and

3624
02:48:41,000 --> 02:48:38,370
I believe and I believe some of them

3625
02:48:43,460 --> 02:48:41,010
right and I think it's true but it

3626
02:48:45,530 --> 02:48:43,470
yeah it's evidence but until you can

3627
02:48:48,020 --> 02:48:45,540
link the event to the grandmother's

3628
02:48:50,060 --> 02:48:48,030
death and we can't yet it's not hard

3629
02:48:52,100 --> 02:48:50,070
evidence from you know from a scientific

3630
02:48:55,340 --> 02:48:52,110
perspective from from perspective you

3631
02:48:56,900 --> 02:48:55,350
have to prove this to everybody with

3632
02:48:59,600 --> 02:48:56,910
there's no way they can deny the

3633
02:49:01,040 --> 02:48:59,610
correlation between in this case with a

3634
02:49:03,860 --> 02:49:01,050
grim mother's desk their grandmothers

3635
02:49:07,580 --> 02:49:03,870
death and the events but we can't do

3636
02:49:10,550 --> 02:49:07,590
that yet well yeah I know I know I know

3637
02:49:13,030 --> 02:49:10,560
I know I know I'm a creamy ass but

3638
02:49:15,700 --> 02:49:13,040
that's I think we need to think start

3639
02:49:18,860 --> 02:49:15,710
take it to the next level so to speak

3640
02:49:21,620 --> 02:49:18,870
well okay hey Randy it wasn't my

3641
02:49:25,460 --> 02:49:21,630
grandmother who passed away it was the

3642
02:49:27,410 --> 02:49:25,470
lady in the house yeah it wasn't my

3643
02:49:30,020 --> 02:49:27,420
parent well when my parents bought the

3644
02:49:31,550 --> 02:49:30,030
house they bought it for like $12,000

3645
02:49:33,650 --> 02:49:31,560
you know real real cheap did the hot the

3646
02:49:34,610 --> 02:49:33,660
house was the ugliest house on the

3647
02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:34,620
street when you were looking at it from

3648
02:49:37,520 --> 02:49:36,090
the front it was kind of crooked the

3649
02:49:39,500 --> 02:49:37,530
kids used to throw plums at it we had

3650
02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:39,510
plum trees in the yard he said Oh plums

3651
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:40,890
that it was a haunted house on the

3652
02:49:45,490 --> 02:49:42,810
street you know my parents fixed it up

3653
02:49:48,889 --> 02:49:45,500
little by little by little you know and

3654
02:49:50,540 --> 02:49:48,899
we theorized that well there was there

3655
02:49:51,679 --> 02:49:50,550
were two or three sisters that lived in

3656
02:49:53,929 --> 02:49:51,689
the house before me no this was probably

3657
02:49:55,790 --> 02:49:53,939
before you know I was born really but

3658
02:49:57,290 --> 02:49:55,800
when my parents bought the house they

3659
02:49:58,820 --> 02:49:57,300
bought it cheap from this lowly lady who

3660
02:50:00,620 --> 02:49:58,830
had to get put oh you know she sold she

3661
02:50:03,080 --> 02:50:00,630
had yep in the nursing home she was the

3662
02:50:05,750 --> 02:50:03,090
lady that passed away what was weird was

3663
02:50:09,230 --> 02:50:05,760
uh you know my parents had been fixing

3664
02:50:11,540 --> 02:50:09,240
up the house little by little and we

3665
02:50:14,360 --> 02:50:11,550
theorized that maybe when you pass away

3666
02:50:15,710 --> 02:50:14,370
where you spent your life for a long

3667
02:50:18,261 --> 02:50:15,720
time your life where you put your energy

3668
02:50:20,360 --> 02:50:18,271
or your soul piece of yourself into this

3669
02:50:21,830 --> 02:50:20,370
maybe when you pass away of things are

3670
02:50:23,390 --> 02:50:21,840
different now maybe she wanted to look

3671
02:50:24,950 --> 02:50:23,400
at the house now you know we had

3672
02:50:26,600 --> 02:50:24,960
remodeled it and everything maybe just

3673
02:50:29,301 --> 02:50:26,610
when you die you get a chance to kind of

3674
02:50:31,430 --> 02:50:29,311
take a peek or revisit your history or

3675
02:50:33,711 --> 02:50:31,440
you know I can't I've know I just need

3676
02:50:36,530 --> 02:50:33,721
guessing but I feel like the soul has a

3677
02:50:39,070 --> 02:50:36,540
brief moment where it can experience you

3678
02:50:43,820 --> 02:50:39,080
know the world or its past or you know

3679
02:50:48,320 --> 02:50:43,830
yeah just weird you know look I agree

3680
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:48,330
I'll share this and and Randy thank you

3681
02:50:50,750 --> 02:50:50,010
for the phone call my friend and have a

3682
02:50:54,410 --> 02:50:50,760
great night

3683
02:50:59,950 --> 02:50:54,420
oh email Rita I'll send you a mug email

3684
02:51:03,560 --> 02:50:59,960
Rita right now okay okay thank you randy

3685
02:51:07,490 --> 02:51:03,570
is is this

3686
02:51:09,830 --> 02:51:07,500
we were up Rita and I were up in in

3687
02:51:12,680 --> 02:51:09,840
Shasta I'm gonna tell the story really

3688
02:51:13,790 --> 02:51:12,690
quick and we were at this and we were

3689
02:51:16,551 --> 02:51:13,800
staying in a house that was like a

3690
02:51:21,230 --> 02:51:16,561
hundred 150 years old you know I forget

3691
02:51:25,610 --> 02:51:21,240
1870 or something and the bedroom door

3692
02:51:26,511 --> 02:51:25,620
had these you know the old old door

3693
02:51:29,660 --> 02:51:26,521
handles on it

3694
02:51:31,341 --> 02:51:29,670
and you had to push the door shut it was

3695
02:51:34,220 --> 02:51:31,351
a solid wood door he had to push the

3696
02:51:37,730 --> 02:51:34,230
door shut and then turn the door handle

3697
02:51:41,270 --> 02:51:37,740
to to get the latch too you know and you

3698
02:51:43,761 --> 02:51:41,280
had to really close the door physically

3699
02:51:45,830 --> 02:51:43,771
and and I would test it you know open it

3700
02:51:49,850 --> 02:51:45,840
right okay all right and push it and

3701
02:51:52,160 --> 02:51:49,860
latch it we're lying in bed Alex I swear

3702
02:51:55,310 --> 02:51:52,170
and we're sitting there talking about

3703
02:51:59,330 --> 02:51:55,320
this house and that door handle turned

3704
02:52:07,671 --> 02:51:59,340
that thing said click click and popped

3705
02:52:10,490 --> 02:52:07,681
open I didn't get out of bed I let that

3706
02:52:14,591 --> 02:52:10,500
thing sit right where it was Alex there

3707
02:52:17,720 --> 02:52:14,601
was no way I could not believe it

3708
02:52:20,060 --> 02:52:17,730
physically you know for me to turn that

3709
02:52:23,120 --> 02:52:20,070
it was like effort right and to get it

3710
02:52:25,610 --> 02:52:23,130
to latch and close and that's it that

3711
02:52:27,350 --> 02:52:25,620
thing turned man it turned one last

3712
02:52:29,081 --> 02:52:27,360
phone call hi you're live on fade to

3713
02:52:34,150 --> 02:52:29,091
black who's calling

3714
02:52:36,791 --> 02:52:34,160
hey it's Aaron Hardy this is Fran I'm

3715
02:52:43,451 --> 02:52:36,801
sorry Sara Ann oh hi Sara Ann how are

3716
02:52:48,070 --> 02:52:43,461
you good how are you good

3717
02:52:50,741 --> 02:52:48,080
so Jenn did you get taken today I did my

3718
02:52:54,761 --> 02:52:50,751
parents put a bug on my pillow a fake

3719
02:52:59,171 --> 02:52:54,771
bug that's not cool it wasn't cool at

3720
02:53:01,451 --> 02:52:59,181
all and what kind of bug was it like

3721
02:53:04,451 --> 02:53:01,461
yeah and I lived in New York City for 10

3722
02:53:07,631 --> 02:53:04,461
years so I have a roach you know fear

3723
02:53:09,581 --> 02:53:07,641
and it was like a big plastic

3724
02:53:11,110 --> 02:53:09,591
roach that looked really real but you

3725
02:53:13,631 --> 02:53:11,120
know I've done this to my parents so I

3726
02:53:14,230 --> 02:53:13,641
sort of deserved it oh man did you jump

3727
02:53:18,011 --> 02:53:14,240
out of bed

3728
02:53:20,921 --> 02:53:18,021
that's not cool wasn't going on I mean

3729
02:53:25,091 --> 02:53:20,931
there was embodied functions that happen

3730
02:53:26,291 --> 02:53:25,101
I mean wake up yeah absolutely man your

3731
02:53:29,171 --> 02:53:26,301
parents are cool

3732
02:53:30,671 --> 02:53:29,181
your parents are spot-on the money I got

3733
02:53:33,161 --> 02:53:30,681
to remember that one I'm gonna do that

3734
02:53:39,100 --> 02:53:33,171
to my kids next year that's awesome

3735
02:53:41,890 --> 02:53:39,110
that's awesome well Sharon thank you for

3736
02:53:44,860 --> 02:53:41,900
that and do me a favor wherever you are

3737
02:53:46,661 --> 02:53:44,870
in the country right now email Rita and

3738
02:53:50,440 --> 02:53:46,671
give us the address we'll get a mug out

3739
02:53:52,781 --> 02:53:50,450
to you thank you yeah thank you Sarah

3740
02:53:59,081 --> 02:53:52,791
enjoy the rest of your night thank you

3741
02:54:01,711 --> 02:53:59,091
so much yeah you too Wow Alex thank you

3742
02:54:05,640 --> 02:54:01,721
so much for a great show tonight and

3743
02:54:09,820 --> 02:54:05,650
it's it's it's really funny that

3744
02:54:14,411 --> 02:54:09,830
sometimes even in in our community it's

3745
02:54:17,531 --> 02:54:14,421
it's tough to hear you know the truth or

3746
02:54:20,411 --> 02:54:17,541
real status of things yeah because you

3747
02:54:23,621 --> 02:54:20,421
know part of what makes us United in

3748
02:54:26,020 --> 02:54:23,631
this community is is some of our

3749
02:54:28,921 --> 02:54:26,030
emotional and personal beliefs that we

3750
02:54:32,741 --> 02:54:28,931
have invested in here and sometimes

3751
02:54:34,631 --> 02:54:32,751
reality is a bit harsh you know but but

3752
02:54:36,940 --> 02:54:34,641
you have always stood up for that you've

3753
02:54:37,900 --> 02:54:36,950
had your sightings see this is the thing

3754
02:54:40,241 --> 02:54:37,910
with you Alex

3755
02:54:42,110 --> 02:54:40,251
you've had your UFO contact and

3756
02:54:43,970 --> 02:54:42,120
sightings you've

3757
02:54:46,091 --> 02:54:43,980
crazy things that went down in Chicago

3758
02:54:49,310 --> 02:54:46,101
we didn't even talk about that stuff

3759
02:54:50,841 --> 02:54:49,320
we've had your Bigfoot research you've

3760
02:54:53,051 --> 02:54:50,851
been to skinwalker you've been all over

3761
02:54:56,060 --> 02:54:53,061
the country your paranormal stuff your

3762
02:54:58,070 --> 02:54:56,070
experience with with Barry Taff and

3763
02:55:00,081 --> 02:54:58,080
other paranormal and ghost hunting crews

3764
02:55:02,421 --> 02:55:00,091
so you've been out there doing this and

3765
02:55:05,841 --> 02:55:02,431
it's not like I mean you absolutely

3766
02:55:09,020 --> 02:55:05,851
believe all of this is real but we need

3767
02:55:11,121 --> 02:55:09,030
to push real research and that is where

3768
02:55:13,850 --> 02:55:11,131
you come from my man and thank you so

3769
02:55:15,320 --> 02:55:13,860
much for everything that you do thank

3770
02:55:18,261 --> 02:55:15,330
you I appreciate that Jimmy I need a lot

3771
02:55:19,190 --> 02:55:18,271
to me now how do we how do we fund this

3772
02:55:21,890 --> 02:55:19,200
research

3773
02:55:23,781 --> 02:55:21,900
I'll give you 90 seconds you've talked

3774
02:55:27,100 --> 02:55:23,791
about putting together professional

3775
02:55:30,980 --> 02:55:27,110
teams how do we fund this research I

3776
02:55:33,470 --> 02:55:30,990
have no idea to be honest I don't know

3777
02:55:37,341 --> 02:55:33,480
if I did you know I would be doing it I

3778
02:55:38,720 --> 02:55:37,351
don't know yeah I mean I haven't you

3779
02:55:40,161 --> 02:55:38,730
know I have a go fund me a people can

3780
02:55:42,201 --> 02:55:40,171
help me out personally but that's not

3781
02:55:44,871 --> 02:55:42,211
enough to you know get things going I

3782
02:55:46,251 --> 02:55:44,881
don't know I have a few ideas but it

3783
02:55:49,850 --> 02:55:46,261
would take a little more than a couple

3784
02:55:50,871 --> 02:55:49,860
minutes but yes I have a big idea but

3785
02:55:54,801 --> 02:55:50,881
it'd be a kind of a long explanation

3786
02:55:56,991 --> 02:55:54,811
well well then we'll bring you on later

3787
02:55:59,570 --> 02:55:57,001
on in the week maybe a Thursday night to

3788
02:56:01,701 --> 02:55:59,580
talk about this further because it's not

3789
02:56:06,081 --> 02:56:01,711
just funding a trip but then you have

3790
02:56:08,871 --> 02:56:06,091
DNA and laboratory analysis and and and

3791
02:56:11,360 --> 02:56:08,881
photo and video analysis that needs to

3792
02:56:16,970 --> 02:56:11,370
be done and and all of this and a whole

3793
02:56:21,140 --> 02:56:16,980
other list of of closed setting research

3794
02:56:23,001 --> 02:56:21,150
that that cost money and you need an on

3795
02:56:24,951 --> 02:56:23,011
team like a team that's not a team when

3796
02:56:26,360 --> 02:56:24,961
you pull in from different sources when

3797
02:56:30,110 --> 02:56:26,370
you need it or particular you know

3798
02:56:33,921 --> 02:56:30,120
subjects not the thing but thank you so

3799
02:56:36,860 --> 02:56:33,931
much my friend thanks again Jimmy and I

3800
02:56:39,230 --> 02:56:36,870
look forward to your next trip over to a

3801
02:56:42,020 --> 02:56:39,240
Cassidy Church and another late night

3802
02:56:44,301 --> 02:56:42,030
conversation all right

3803
02:56:46,041 --> 02:56:44,311
thank you Alex behave and be well out

3804
02:56:49,190 --> 02:56:46,051
there my friend thank you good night

3805
02:56:51,501 --> 02:56:49,200
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3806
02:56:53,210 --> 02:56:51,511
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02:56:56,029 --> 02:56:53,220
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02:56:58,699 --> 02:56:56,039
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02:57:30,710 --> 02:57:28,590
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3825
02:57:38,899 --> 02:57:35,159
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3826
02:57:42,380 --> 02:57:38,909
night right here Billy Carson part 2 of

3827
02:57:46,609 --> 02:57:42,390
his four-part the Emerald tablets of

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02:57:49,880 --> 02:57:46,619
thoth until tomorrow night everybody be

3829
02:58:11,770 --> 02:57:49,890
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